US pilot labor thread 6/21-6/27

[AAA73Pilot]

You just ruined the Lil' General's day.

I did? Really? You sure about that? Reread it again. Internal policies and politics are 2 different things. But I guess you have a hard time with that. Besides, external flagrant violation of civil laws and regulations have no meaning to you then. Gotta love you guys and gals out there. A never ending source of amusement.

 

[checksix]

Fella, I didn't write the article. If you have a problem with the article, talk to the author. Get it???

Sheesh........It's quite evident, with these last few posts of yours, that you are not "thinking happy."

I know you didn't write the article, you only cited it. I have no problem with the article, I didn't think you did either.........?

We're certainly not going to agree on combined seniority list, as hard as we might try. We're not going to change anyone's mind. It's nothing less than wasted bandwidth and energy........pointless. Therefore, let's get back to the point you keep dodging; Can you show some leadership by moving on? Can you participate in a constructive discussion?

 

[nycbusdriver]

I think USAPA is doing a fine job of establishing a reputation for frivolous lawsuits. Maybe Seham is actually doing the west pilots a favor by encouraging them.

I think it would be wise to wait until the hearing on Friday to see if the lawsuit is frivolous, or not. Personally, I would rather the judge decide than listen to your tripe.

What gives you that impression? I'm having a blast watching the Lil' General's war blow up in his face.

The east has exhausted everything it could do: it ousted ALPA and started a civil war. The west has plenty of options, money and time. Nothing to get hot about there as far as I can see.

Like there wasn't a civil war going on here BEFORE ALPA was ousted. Did you sleep through the 11 months from May, 2007, to April, 2008?

 

[checksix]

Scheduling Committee Update
June 26, 2008
Bid 08-04 Award​

Bid 08-04 has been closed and posted on the USAPA web site as well as archived in the Scheduling Committee Library page. The Company is posting the results on the hub and the voice response system (800) 438-3221.

There were 31 approved EVLAs (Extended Voluntary Leave of Absence) which offset 31 of the planned 125 furloughs.

The company is currently evaluating the training requirements resulting from this bid.

If you have a question about this bid, please contact one of the bid closing members of the Scheduling Committee. Email is the preferred method. We will research your question and get an answer for you.

 

[prechilill]

So, with oil at $140 , the credit markets collapsing and LCC about to file bankruptcy, how many of you guys are actually going to go down with the ship? Being USAPA members, where do you think you will get preferential interviews at? Serious replies only, please. Thanks.

 

[nycbusdriver]

I personally do not believe there is a point but if I am flying with an FO who is slated for furlough who does not want an east pilot on the jumpseat, there will be no east pilot on the jumpseat.

Unless you can suggest a way for me to explain to the FO why he should be furloughed, while an east pilot who had been on the street for two years or more is still working, please let me know.

As far as the chief pilot's office. They are offering full support for pilots who deny the jumpseat for like reasons.

You do just that, Sparky. And good luck to you.

And when the CP imposes discipline, call your union. (Oops! That's right, the scuttlebutt is that you guys don't have one. Too bad for you. Well, just call AWAPPA. I'm sure they'll get right on it.)

 

[kubotapilot]

So, with oil at $140 , the credit markets collapsing and LCC about to file bankruptcy, how many of you guys are actually going to go down with the ship? Being USAPA members, where do you think you will get preferential interviews at? Serious replies only, please. Thanks.

Preferential interviews...for what?? A lousy start at the bottom of another "Dream Career"!

You crack me up, keep hanging on to that fantastic career with your head in the sand. The professional pilot career is pretty much finished, unless you don't mind indentured servitude !

You guys really need to get a reality check and learn that there is much better out here in the real world, not the airline world.

Or, if you prefer, keep building those jet hours for that dream interview !

Classic. Very, very sad but classic.

 

[nostradamus]

So, with oil at $140 , the credit markets collapsing and LCC about to file bankruptcy, how many of you guys are actually going to go down with the ship? Being USAPA members, where do you think you will get preferential interviews at? Serious replies only, please. Thanks.

Being an america west pilot getting sued for childish behavior is a plus on any pilots resume.

I personally will deal very well with any collapse of a company thats future is out of my control.

I take personal pride in being part of an organization that tossed alpa out on its ear and helped shape the future for pilots when companies merge.

Good luck to you in the future. You will have to obtain your pilot positions the old fashioned way now, you will need to wait your turn and earn it.

 

[luvn737s]

I think we need to agree to disagree with the seniority issue, at some point it will be resolved, one way or the other. All this name calling, unprofessional behavior and the silent, non-participatory protest has proved to be very ineffective, I think we can agree to that much.

Perhaps its time to move on. To those west pilots who have declared war on the east; USAPA and the US Airways pilots have not and will not participate in your civil war. Our pilot group will continue to move in a positive direction, keeping our eyes on the ball. It's reassuring to finally see our west pilots getting involved in the process and joining USAPA. I hope that this is just the beginning of a much larger unified effort.

As the saying goes; If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.

If you are serious about west participation, USAPA must drop it's stance on DOH and sit down with the west with everything on the table. Once that threat to the west livelihood is removed, you might be surprised how much both sides do agree on. But for every plea for west participation, you get 10 steps backward from Bradford.

If he came out like a real leader and said that he was coming to Phoenix to sit down with any and all participants and that his goal was to build a union that everyone wanted to be a part of, it would be a first step. But I think the east has no idea how much fence mending needs to be done before any west pilot will trust anyone in USAPA leadership. It won't happen with one visit or 10 or maybe even 100, but if Bradford wants to build a successful union he's going to have to make a wholesale change in direction even if that ticks off a few of his most extreme supporters (as represented here) and he's going to have to do it over the long haul.

 

[checksix]

So, with oil at $140 , the credit markets collapsing and LCC about to file bankruptcy, how many of you guys are actually going to go down with the ship? Being USAPA members, where do you think you will get preferential interviews at? Serious replies only, please. Thanks.

I take it you are in the "sky is always falling" group, not a surprise.

Personally, I'm focused on getting a contract and supporting our union - been here enough to know the sky isn't falling just yet.

That's my serious reply........

 

[sharktooth]

If you are serious about west participation, USAPA must drop it's stance on DOH and sit down with the west with everything on the table. Once that threat to the west livelihood is removed, you might be surprised how much both sides do agree on.

Tossing ultimatums means, apparently, that you are not ready to sit down. Sad that you will not even save yourself by helping shape inevitable conditions and restrictions.

 

[prechilill]

I take it you are in the "sky is always falling" group, not a surprise.

Personally, I'm focused on getting a contract and supporting our union - been here enough to know the sky isn't falling just yet.

That's my serious reply........

Well, I was looking more at the stock price of LCC and not the sky. But you can think whatever you want. And you had a contract offer over a year ago leading to a 20% pay raise for you and you threw it away. Why the change of heart now? Regarding your new-found unionism, I find it pretty hypocritical of you in light of how you supported your last union, made up of USAir pilots no less. But you guys have shown the world logic has never been one of your strong points.

 

[checksix]

Well, I was looking more at the stock price of LCC and not the sky. But you can think whatever you want. And you had a contract offer over a year ago leading to a 20% pay raise for you and you threw it away. Why the change of heart now? Regarding your new-found unionism, I find it pretty hypocritical of you in light of how you supported your last union, made up of USAir pilots no less. But you guys have shown the world logic has never been one of your strong points.

Help me out here, chilill - I take it you're not going to choose the "happy" road??? Rather, the end is near, is that accurate enough?

You never did address whether or not you can move on......your answer is evident. It's just more of "As AWAPPA Turns" for chilill.

 

[checksix]

If you are serious about west participation, USAPA must drop it's stance on DOH and sit down with the west with everything on the table. Once that threat to the west livelihood is removed, you might be surprised how much both sides do agree on. But for every plea for west participation, you get 10 steps backward from Bradford.

You seemed to have missed my point completely, luvn. We are not going to agree on the seniority issue. DOH is a part of the USAPA C&BLs and I would presume that the only way that is going to change is in a court of law. And make no mistake, no one is "pleading" for west participation. Rather, it is a suggestion in your best interests, nothing more, nothing less.

Take it for what it is but think carefully about your decision. Thus far, your current direction hasn't gotten you very far and I don't see things changing unless you change direction.

Einstein's definition of insanity: "Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results." ............see the correlation?

 

[luvn737s]

Oops, I misunderstood your previous post. I thought you had a brief moment of clarity and were ready to abandon the dead-end strategy. I can assure you that every west pilot has carefully considered what USAPA is doing and they will act in their own best interest.

But you go get 'em tiger and make the Lil' General proud!!