US Pilots Labor Discussion 1/26- STAY ON TOPIC AND OBSERVE THE RULES

[luvthe9]

I think this case was already thrown out once. That is because there is no case and no need for a deal.

Oh you are so misinformed, I love it!!!

 

[nic4us]

Most of the west pilots know the NIC is pretty much dead and will be officially soon. The time is running out for the cactus 18 and they know it with all the serious charges against them, I did not know some are facing jail time, I think they should have taken the deal USAPA gave them but are now backed into a corner, can't wait for the outcome!!!

I did not take this post seriously. I read it as a facetious paraphrasing, trying to highlight how the east feels, getting constantly hammered by West posters with the reality of the situation. Kind of give us a dose of our own medicine routine.

However, if you are serious, I would like to say, that it was usapa who decided to play for termination and jail time stakes.

So if any of the usapa perpetrators find themselves unemployed, much poorer and/or pleaing down their sentence, remember, you brought upon yourselves.

 

[Black Swan]

Welcome to the land of backwards. This is 180 degrees from reality.

You might want to read the complaint or pick up a phone and talk to someone. There never was and not now is there any jail time over the RICO BS. None was every even asked for.

The Nicolau is dead? Where do you get this craziness?

I can't wait for the end either but for different reasons. I can't wait for Cleary et al to be charged and sued in a very expensive countersuit. When Cleary and the gang are hit with a multi million dollar bill and they write a check that will be the end of this.

We had a fantastic USAPA PHL meeting today. Mike Cleary was there, as well as Randy Mowery. You guys want a contract. Here is what your leader had to say- we now have NMB following, as they were made aware this contract and supposed merger has been going on for 5 yrs. Nothing new. We really have bigger fish to fry, and that is LOA 93. You probably don't want to hear any of that discussion.. Cactus 18. They were given a way out. Seems they will not admit to anything to clear it all up, so the legal train rolls on. Now- I have been taking some heat for using the word WE. Well, I was right, the group was clearly not going to deal with NIC, common thread was if we lose Addington, then the Nic goes into the deal, and WE seemed to be of mind that it is DOA with that. Does this make it any clearer?
Cleary spoke of how he is frustrated with Parker and Kirby. Seems that your leadership of the LCC operation is more like a property manager than an airline leader. Just making sure the roof is on, the leaks are plugged, bills paid, etc. No leadership or new ideas. They just manage the property and pick the low hanging fruit.
Asked a friend of mine how you all got your DC. Seems our side helped out on that one, as well as the profit sharing. You got a lot of help on those issues, we got none on the pay parity. Does anyone have any questions as to why we really don't think much of your side? Now you want to climb on our jobs. No thanks. It has been all take, take , take. Tiger 1050. you were right on you probably should have helped on the pay parity. Nobody on this side is in the giving mood any more. That, fellow USAPA members, is the take in PHL.

 

[flyinawa]

Most of the west pilots know the NIC is pretty much dead and will be officially soon. The time is running out for the cactus 18 and they know it with all the serious charges against them, I did not know some are facing jail time, I think they should have taken the deal USAPA gave them but are now backed into a corner, can't wait for the outcome!!!

Good heavens, man! How on earth do you come up with this stuff? Seriously, where are you getting your information because it's gone beyond incorrect...well into the area of bizarre.

 

[luvthe9]

I did not take this post seriously. I read it as a facetious paraphrasing, trying to highlight how the east feels, getting constantly hammered by West posters with the reality of the situation. Kind of give us a dose of our own medicine routine.

However, if you are serious, I would like to say, that it was usapa who decided to play for termination and jail time stakes.

So if any of the usapa perpetrators find themselves unemployed, much poorer and/or pleaing down their sentence, remember, you brought upon yourselves.

Better have another drink with your fearless leader Parker, you guys or in over your head. Cleary did such a good job today, JHe is the right person for the job. The west people better wise up and realize they are along for the ride.

 

[Metroyet]

Better have another drink with your fearless leader Parker, you guys or in over your head.

THERE ARE NO AMERICANS IN BAGHDAD!!!!

 

[ChuckBewFarley]

We had a fantastic USAPA PHL meeting today. Mike Cleary was there, as well as Randy Mowery. You guys want a contract. Here is what your leader had to say- we now have NMB following, as they were made aware this contract and supposed merger has been going on for 5 yrs. Nothing new. We really have bigger fish to fry, and that is LOA 93. You probably don't want to hear any of that discussion.. Cactus 18. They were given a way out. Seems they will not admit to anything to clear it all up, so the legal train rolls on. Now- I have been taking some heat for using the word WE. Well, I was right, the group was clearly not going to deal with NIC, common thread was if we lose Addington, then the Nic goes into the deal, and WE seemed to be of mind that it is DOA with that. Does this make it any clearer?
Cleary spoke of how he is frustrated with Parker and Kirby. Seems that your leadership of the LCC operation is more like a property manager than an airline leader. Just making sure the roof is on, the leaks are plugged, bills paid, etc. No leadership or new ideas. They just manage the property and pick the low hanging fruit.
Asked a friend of mine how you all got your DC. Seems our side helped out on that one, as well as the profit sharing. You got a lot of help on those issues, we got none on the pay parity. Does anyone have any questions as to why we really don't think much of your side? Now you want to climb on our jobs. No thanks. It has been all take, take , take. Tiger 1050. you were right on you probably should have helped on the pay parity. Nobody on this side is in the giving mood any more. That, fellow USAPA members, is the take in PHL.

Oh do tell.

Mowery hasn't read the RICO stuff, the way out includes an admission of illegal activities (no charges ever filed by proper authorities why admit guilt to that??).

LOA 93, it needs to be fixed but you seem quite happy with it, right? VNIIMN!!!

Yawn.

As for you jobs, ah...no. We just want to keep the jobs we brought to the merger, and we want the people who brought jobs to the merger and had those jobs taken away to come back to work.

 

[Black Swan]

I think this case was already thrown out once. That is because there is no case and no need for a deal.

If you know any of the 18 or the 100 or so John Does, you better tell them to take the get out of jail card. We are talking RICO.......To be honest with you, before todays very informative USAPA meeting, I had no idea about this one. This thing is coming on like a train.......

 

[Pi brat]

Better have another drink with your fearless leader Parker, you guys or in over your head. Cleary did such a good job today, JHe is the right person for the job. The west people better wise up and realize they are along for the ride.

OMG! and I'm east.

 

[Pi brat]

If you know any of the 18 or the 100 or so John Does, you better tell them to take the get out of jail card. We are talking RICO.......To be honest with you, before todays very informative USAPA meeting, I had no idea about this one. This thing is coming on like a train.......

If this fails, and the east pilot group and the BPR members get hit with lawsuits, will you take Cleary to task then?

 

[nic4us]

Better have another drink with your fearless leader Parker, you guys or in over your head. Cleary did such a good job today, JHe is the right person for the job. The west people better wise up and realize they are along for the ride.

Do not have time to answere Black Swan, BS for short, that will have to wait for later, but I can give your feeble attempt at dising Parker a reply.

Cleary is so short,......................on understanding, he does not even realize what Parker and the company are doing. It take an east pilot in a CLT brownbag lunch, to call him on his idiocy, and he still has no clue.

West is not along for the ride. We are the pedestrians trying to avoid getting hit by the underage carjackers (usapa) and the texting while driving ( company) folks swerve and veer trying to get their heads out of their.........

 

[Black Swan]

Oh do tell.

Mowery hasn't read the RICO stuff, the way out includes an admission of illegal activities (no charges ever filed by proper authorities why admit guilt to that??).

LOA 93, it needs to be fixed but you seem quite happy with it, right? VNIIMN!!!

Yawn.

As for you jobs, ah...no. We just want to keep the jobs we brought to the merger, and we want the people who brought jobs to the merger and had those jobs taken away to come back to work.

We are sitting better than you think. VNIIMN was the absolute feeling. You guys are very wishful thinkers. Remember, LOA93 plus the 10 kTHIS YR AND NEXT plus the fact you get paid the SAME for every jet is lost on your side. Add in a lot of MILITARY+ retirement versus MESA background, and THEN TOSS IN PBGC, and some taking SS at 62 means it isn't as bad as you try and make it seem. We are going to vote NO. Prepare for the future, because WHAT YOU HAVE IS ALL YOU ARE EVER GOING TO EVER GET.......

 

[nic4us]

OMG! and I'm east.

Yeah, and that is what we like about you Pi.

 

[Pi brat]

Yeah, and that is what we like about you Pi.

I'm thinking USAPA is at 400' agl, sinking about 4000 fpm and Cleary has his feet up playing with the laptop. I guess we will know soon, won't we?

 

[cleardirect]

I think this case was already thrown out once. That is because there is no case and no need for a deal.

Oh you are so misinformed, I love it!!!

I would say that it is you that is misinformed. The final order from the NC federal court. You know the one in your backyard. You know the judge that must be biased to people from the west.

Take the time to read. Doc #97 Read the whole thing than get back to us about who is right and who is wrong in this deal.


I could swear that this order says that the federal charges are dismissed with prejudice, the state charges are dismissed without prejudice, the motion to amend is denied and the restraining order is denied as moot. I would call that a clean sweep of all charges. Or am I misinformed?

Accordingly, IT IS, THEREFORE, ORDERED that the Motion to Dismiss of Defendants AWAPPA, XXX… [Doc. 42] and the Motion to Dismiss by Individual Defendants XXX…and Joinder in Motion to Dismiss Filed by AWAPPA Defendants [Doc. 77] are GRANTED to the extent that Counts One and Two of the Amended Complaint are DISMISSED WITH PREJUDICE pursuant to Rules 12(B)(1) and 12(B)(6) of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure.

Because the federal claims asserted by the Plaintiff have been dismissed, the Court declines to exercise supplemental jurisdiction over the Plaintiff’s state-law claims (Counts Three through Eleven) pursuant to 28 U.S.C. §1367©(3), and accordingly, IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that
these claims are DISMISSED WITHOUT PREJUDICE. IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that the Plaintiff’s Motion for Leave to Amend First Amended Verified Complaint [Doc. 80] is DENIED as futile.

IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that to the extent that the Motion to Dismiss by the Individual Defendants [Doc. 77] seeks dismissal of these Defendants for lack of personal jurisdiction and improper venue, such Motion is DENIED AS MOOT.

IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that the Plaintiff’s Motion for Temporary Restraining Order and Preliminary Injunction [Doc. 63] is DENIED AS MOOT.

IT IS SO ORDERED.

Case 3:08-cv-00246-MR-CH Document 97 Filed 07/11/2008 Page 47 of 48