US Pilots Labor Discussion

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Some of you east guys are really weird. This post ranks up there with a couple from EastUS when he would post in his drunken stupor, dogfights and all.

In our society those who are in reality superior in intelligence can be accepted by their fellows only if they pretend they are not. !

 

[john john]

Some of you east guys are really weird.

East weird? Goat videos some planet in outer space crew news with pilots using bizarre props

 

[Black Swan]

The west has patience. Your group can't afford patience. You promised a quick DOH contract 4 YEARS ago to your cronies. You effed up badly. I'm more than happy to let this path you chose grind on in the courts, meanwhile LOA 93 is grinding you into poverty.

We all have our crosses to bear......


w: Phoenix home prices decline, 68 percent underwater
Phoenix Business Journal
Date: Monday, May 9, 2011, 11:20am MST
Related: Residential Real Estate
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Home values in Phoenix are continuing to decline, according to a first quarter report released by Zillow.com.
Phoenix also has the highest percentage of homeowners with negative equity on their mortgages at 68.4 percent, the report noted.
Home values in the Phoenix metro area dropped another 2.3 percent between the last quarter of 2010 and the first quarter of 2011. The year-over-year drop was 11.2 percent. The home value drop from the market peak in Phoenix is 55.3 percent.
The report surveyed 132 markets.
Other markets with a large percentage of mortgages underwater include Atlanta (55.7 percent), Riverside, Calif. (50.7 percent), Tampa, Fla. (59.8 percent) and Sacramento, Calif. (51.2 percent).

 

[767jetz]

Some of you east guys are really weird. This post ranks up there with a couple from EastUS when he would post in his drunken stupor, dogfights and all.

I miss those days. They were some of the funniest (sad) posts I've ever seen on this forum to date.

'You suck so bad, I'll challenge you to a dog fight and bet you $1000 just to prove my superiority over you to MYSELF!'

Do you remember how far back that was? Circa 2003? 2005? What was it?

I can picture EastUs and Nos sitting at a bar, crying into their beer talking about the "golden age of aviation." 😀

 

[luvn737s]

We all have our crosses to bear......


w: Phoenix home prices decline, 68 percent underwater
Phoenix Business Journal
Date: Monday, May 9, 2011, 11:20am MST
Related: Residential Real Estate
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Home values in Phoenix are continuing to decline, according to a first quarter report released by Zillow.com.
Phoenix also has the highest percentage of homeowners with negative equity on their mortgages at 68.4 percent, the report noted.
Home values in the Phoenix metro area dropped another 2.3 percent between the last quarter of 2010 and the first quarter of 2011. The year-over-year drop was 11.2 percent. The home value drop from the market peak in Phoenix is 55.3 percent.
The report surveyed 132 markets.
Other markets with a large percentage of mortgages underwater include Atlanta (55.7 percent), Riverside, Calif. (50.7 percent), Tampa, Fla. (59.8 percent) and Sacramento, Calif. (51.2 percent).

That is pretty sad for folks who overpaid for their houses. But it's better than losing 55.7% of your salary and then continuing it longer then necessary because you continue to overpay for your "union".

I got it! If you're underwater in your union, just walk away from USAPA! Call it a Strategic Default (kinda like you did on the Nic)

 

[luvthe9]

That is pretty sad for folks who overpaid for their houses. But it's better than losing 55.7% of your salary and then continuing it longer then necessary because you continue to overpay for your "union".

I'm not paying anymore than I did at ALPO, except getting a lot more for my money and don't have to worry about my union screwing me over in the middle of the night!!!!. WOW sure feel bad about those property values.

 

[Black Swan]

That is pretty sad for folks who overpaid for their houses. But it's better than losing 55.7% of your salary and then continuing it longer then necessary because you continue to overpay for your "union".

I got it! If you're underwater in your union, just walk away from USAPA! Call it a Strategic Default (kinda like you did on the Nic)

More like walk away from ALPA. Strategic Wye River Response Team.

 

[767jetz]

We all have our crosses to bear......


w: Phoenix home prices decline, 68 percent underwater
Phoenix Business Journal
Date: Monday, May 9, 2011, 11:20am MST
Related: Residential Real Estate
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I just don't get your obsession with property values in Phoenix, and what that has to do with the price of tea in China. Your attempt at an underhanded slight actually demonstrates a lack of understanding. Show me a market that has not declined since the housing crisis and loan debacle to one degree or another. But pretty irrelevant unless you are selling your home. And even then, assuming you are buying in the same market, your next home will be at a similar discount. It's all relative. The only people that really are affected are those who can't get a loan, and those who have negative equity or stuck in an interest only scheme facing large increases. Perhaps someone in dire need of a home equity loan with no equity left. (Would that be you?) Beyond that it's all paper loss, and is pretty much affecting everyone in this country similarly.

Has anyone here indicated they fall into any of those categories? If not, your comment is pretty worthless even as a jab.

I built my current home in 2006, just as building costs of lumber, tar, shingles, copper, delivery costs, and just about everything else peaked after Katrina in 2005. I also sold my previous home just after the peak. See? Relativity. I also had enough sense to mortgage a very low percentage of my home's cost. (live within one's means) So home values are nothing but a blip on the radar. They went down. They went up. Didn't change a thing. In fact the crisis made it possible to refinance twice and lower my costs further while also shortening the term of my mortgage. Banks were desperate for business of low risk customers.

Now, are you one of those guys who has lived beyond your means and relied on the equity in your home to support you lifestyle? (quite possible after living on LOA93 for so long) Do you assume others do the same? If not, and you are going to tell me that you have your ducks in a row and are "doing fine" then why do you assume others do not? Again, what does any of this have to do with the price of tea in China?

Believe me, housing prices in Phoenix, Philadelphia, Charlotte, NY, or anywhere else have absolutely nothing to do with your seniority integration, lack of a contract, outstanding law suits, your attempt to avoid final and binding arbitration, or the eventual resolution to your situation.

 

[luvthe9]

I just don't get your obsession with property values in Phoenix, and what that has to do with the price of tea in China.

I don't understand the West's obession with LOA93.

 

[prechilill]

I don't understand the West's obession with LOA93.

You're helping build a stronger airline for me to inherit. Thank you!

 

[Black Swan]

I just don't get your obsession with property values in Phoenix, and what that has to do with the price of tea in China. Your attempt at an underhanded slight actually demonstrates a lack of understanding. Show me a market that has not declined since the housing crisis and loan debacle to one degree or another. But pretty irrelevant unless you are selling your home. And even then, assuming you are buying in the same market, your next home will be at a similar discount. It's all relative. The only people that really are affected are those who can't get a loan, and those who have negative equity or stuck in an interest only scheme facing large increases. Perhaps someone in dire need of a home equity loan with no equity left. (Would that be you?) Beyond that it's all paper loss, and is pretty much affecting everyone in this country similarly.

Has anyone here indicated they fall into any of those categories? If not, your comment is pretty worthless even as a jab.

I built my current home in 2006, just as building costs of lumber, tar, shingles, copper, delivery costs, and just about everything else peaked after Katrina in 2005. I also sold my previous home just after the peak. See? Relativity. I also had enough sense to mortgage a very low percentage of my home's cost. (live within one's means) So home values are nothing but a blip on the radar. They went down. They went up. Didn't change a thing. In fact the crisis made it possible to refinance twice and lower my costs further while also shortening the term of my mortgage. Banks were desperate for business of low risk customers.

Now, are you one of those guys who has lived beyond your means and relied on the equity in your home to support you lifestyle? (quite possible after living on LOA93 for so long) Do you assume others do the same? If not, and you are going to tell me that you have your ducks in a row and are "doing fine" then why do you assume others do not? Again, what does any of this have to do with the price of tea in China?

Believe me, housing prices in Phoenix, Philadelphia, Charlotte, NY, or anywhere else have absolutely nothing to do with your seniority integration, lack of a contract, outstanding law suits, your attempt to avoid final and binding arbitration, or the eventual resolution to your situation.

I put it there, because YOU, and the west posters continue to go on and on about LOA 93. And our "grinding poverty" Home prices in PHX become extremely relevant in that context because a 55% decline in a home is big money. That, could also cause "grinding poverty" How do you begin to retire, if your home payment is possibly 300k underwater, or more? You can't sell and close out the mortgage. You now have an anvil around your neck.You retire, and you have nothing other than what you saved. No PBGC either. Not that I would want anyone to have this situation, but it apparently is a sore and real subject to the west posters, who BEG us to take a contract and the Nic, so they can start to dig out of this hole. So, if they want to continue to bring up LOA 93, home values in PHX and LAS are a relevant fact in that discussion. Many of us in the east have seen some decline, but many of us have made some great money in real estate.Jetzzzz, we live within our means as you recommend. All in all, the east market is not bad. Housing values in PHX and LAS are extremely relevant, as you can see the west obsessed with getting the Nic and a contract. We in the east, will take LOA 93 and separate ops. Those prices have EVERYTHING to do with this. The west pilots are corralled in PHX, and the worst market in history. As long as they wish to bash us with LOA 93, we will remind them of their own situation. Deal?

 

[Pi brat]

You're helping build a stronger airline for me to inherit. Thank you!

Not really. You're falling into Doug's thinking. LOA 93 took too much, for too long. Continuing it is damaging the company because the pilots will never forget it.

A lot of folks around here feel they have nothing left to lose. Not good if they are your employees or your enemy.

 

[Pi brat]

I just don't get your obsession with property values in Phoenix, and what that has to do with the price of tea in China.

I don't understand a United pilot's obsession with our food fight, but here you are.

 

[767jetz]

I don't understand a United pilot's obsession with our food fight, but here you are.

Not an obsession. Just an interest in airline merger precedents that can effect others, including me. Particularly the part about binding arbitration. That it's been explained to you many times, yet you still do claim to not understand only tells us that you are either dense, or refuse to accept an explanation that doesn't conform to your views. Which is it?

 

[767jetz]

I don't understand the West's obession with LOA93.

I doubt it's an obsession, but more like a comforting fact that it continues to put financial pressure and motivation on many (if not all) east pilots to come to their senses and abandon a lost cause. You guys have prognosticated yourselves that a victory from Kasher would mean "game over" for ANY movement, and would seal the continued stalemate for decades. Have you not? Therefore the reverse can also be extrapolated from your own predictions.

Now about your obsession with (and unsolicited private message about) ALPA...