US Pilots Labor Discussion

[No Land Green]

So when LOS 93 is a failure and your captains finally understand that the only pay raise comes with the Nicolau. Do you really believe that they will continue to support the AFO club until they retire so that the AFO can have their seat and they get nothing?

You do not have a clue what the majority of the East thinks. Yes we will continue to support the "AFO club" as you call it. I guess you just can't seem to grasp that there is an "ACAP Club" too LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!

Again, accept a recall on the East, you will be glad you did.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

No. I'm telling you that it has nothing to do with whether they can retire or not. I'm telling you that it is not "underwater" if it's paid off. Of course it sucks to own something at twice the price it's worth. But it has no bearing on putting the person in the poor house unless they are counting on that equity, like a reverse mortgage. It also has no bearing until a person sells. Until then it means nothing to a person's day to day financing. Anyone who is using their home value to finance their retirement (outside of a catastrophic illness or some other event), or plans to, got some seriously bad financial advice.

You are the one who said this:





Nope. Once again you can not debate facts or respond to my questions with anything coherent, so you resort to attacks and insist on making it personal. Fine with me. I never got anything handed to me except a college education with no student loans to pay off, and free room and board during my flight instructing days. That's it. Everything else was self made. I drove my 2 previous cars for 9 and 12 years respectively and saved every penny while living well below my means. Now I buy all my cars in cash, wise guy. It's called delayed gratification. Funny how quick you are to use the silver spoon name when you know so little. Nothing cavalier about it. Not when your wife is an accountant/auditor for the SEC. Nothing like good financial advice as opposed to the kind many pilots follow.



If home equity means everything to you, you really should seek professional financial advice. Regardless, your assumptions are off as I've proven in my previous posts, and you have failed to rebut. You didn't start this conversation talking about your airline failing or having to sell your home. Your attempted jab specifically referred to retirement. It is on that where my comments are dead on accurate. I even said that equity means nothing UNLESS YOU HAVE TO SELL. Typical easty... you get caught making a false grand statement, and when called to explain you change the subject and start calling names. Thanks for proving me right.

Hope you don't use that "delayed gratification" in the bathroom, you could go blind! MM!

 

[No Land Green]

Not exactly. As per the transition agreement, UA pilots recalled to the CO side bid as new hires at CO but are paid at the rate at which they left, not new hire pay. They also keep their DOH at UA for SLI integration, which most likely will be at the bottom, but ahead of any pilots who returned to the CO side AFTER the snapshot was taken. In other words, furloughed CO pilots and furloughed UA pilots will be slotted in some fashion.

The union has stated since the very beginning that historically furloughed pilots are not placed ahead of active pilots in any SLI.

My opinion of slotting and furloughs is not situationally motivated, as with some of you. I happen to be friends with several furloughed pilots, but will not support placing them above active CO pilots. Nor would I support DOH even though it would benefit me greatly in doing so. I realize this is a concept non of the east AFO's or their supporters can come to terms with, as evidenced by the way you treat your very own who do not support YOUR point of view. No surprise there.

No need for the above post Jetz, we already knew that you do not support furloughed pilots, not even at your own place of employment.

 

[Pi brat]

The union has stated since the very beginning that historically furloughed pilots are not placed ahead of active pilots in any SLI.

I believe they were at Republic/Hughes Airwest.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

So when LOS 93 is a failure and your captains finally understand that the only pay raise comes with the Nicolau. Do you really believe that they will continue to support the AFO club until they retire so that the AFO can have their seat and they get nothing?

Word UP!, nothing will change, has anything changed now, you are such morons, Where are the CARDS, RECALL? STATUS QUO is the same today, as it is the next day, we will retire, advance salary gains for our ATTRITION, better than any F/O wages at any other carrier and move on, PHX saved for now by a T/A till the value of this franchise is sold,and the rest sold to anyone that would have it! MM! It is unsustainable in this economy, with PHX!

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Every Time I read a 767JETZ post , I think you truly are DARIUS! MM! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVXqJ3A6NWw

 

[mikey60]

So when LOS 93 is a failure and your captains finally understand that the only pay raise comes with the Nicolau. Do you really believe that they will continue to support the AFO club until they retire so that the AFO can have their seat and they get nothing?

Please explain how going to the nic will give me a pay raise. I have less than 2 years left on this carcuss.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

2012, almost here, ATTRITION TRAIN, could someone pleez post the E vs W numbers for 5 years starting in 5 mos! MM!

 

[end_of_alpa]

Not an obsession. Just an interest in airline merger precedents that can effect others, including me. Particularly the part about binding arbitration. That it's been explained to you many times, yet you still do claim to not understand only tells us that you are either dense, or refuse to accept an explanation that doesn't conform to your views. Which is it?

I'm coming in late to the party...what does houses have to do with all of this first of all and secondly.....your list with the continental pilots isn't even close. So what do you think the effect will be on your seniority with the continental pilots if USAPA prevails?

Not that I really expect a straight answer from a supposed United pilot.

 

[767one]

Please explain how going to the nic will give me a pay raise. I have less than 2 years left on this carcuss.

Hi Mikey,

17 months as of yesterday. I agree, might as well ride it out. Don't see any 50% or better pay raises coming nic or no nic.

Regards,

Bob

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

GUYS C"MON EASE UP ON JETZ, ALPA just got their A$$ kicked in that AA deal, he lost his job at TWA because of it and now drives new cars and want's his A$$ saved again by ALPA, but tells all his furloughed friends(man I'll take enemies over his friendship) that hey, "SORRY ALPA SCREWED ME ONCE, BUT I THINK SINCE I AM EMPLOYED NOW AT UNITED, YOU GUYS WILL HAVE TO SUFFER BEING THROWN UNDER THE BUS, IT HAPPENED TO ME SO SUCK IT UP!" Sorry DARIUS, I don't believe you know the meaning of friendship! MM

 

[767one]

So when LOS 93 is a failure and your captains finally understand that the only pay raise comes with the Nicolau. Do you really believe that they will continue to support the AFO club until they retire so that the AFO can have their seat and they get nothing?

Uhhhh, Yaah! Why would a los 93 failure make a difference?

Bob

 

[767one]

No, I happen to know there is a fairly sizeable and growing contingent on the east preparing a card drive in cooperation with many west pilots, so I really can't lump ALL east pilots in the same category. Unfortunately, Kleary will not provide any opportunities for the east pilots to vote on substantive issues and reveal the true perspective of the east line pilots. He knows all too well that a vote would reveal how little support he has and would make further power grabs a little more difficult.

I think you might be confusing support for Mike Cleary and support for USAPA. They are not one and the same.

Bob

 

[prechilill]

Jetz is really touching nerves, you guys can't leave him alone (except for his logic and ideas). Reality must be hard for "y'all". There! Talkin' like a Carolinan

 

[767one]

But wait. Are you not a captain? So the only raise that you are going to get is if you can go to the WB. Since only 10% of your list can hold that position. There is no benefit for 90% of the captains on the east seperate ops and los 93. Unless getting weekends off after 30 years is something special all you guys are doing is giving away money. Thanks for admitting that this entire usapa experiment is about the east fo's upgrading. I am sure once the captains figure that out they are not going to be real happy with your AFO's.

I'm pretty sure the captains know what is going on.


Bob