DARIUS(767JETZ) can't leave it alone just like anyone else here, you included,But, logic, like whiskey, loses its beneficial effect when taken in too large quantities! it's ya'll for clarification Have a Great NITE! MM!Jetz is really touching nerves, you guys can't leave him alone (except for his logic and ideas). Reality must be hard for "y'all". There! Talkin' like a Carolinan
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Elaborate.
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Parker said in the most recent meetings that "the Kirby Proposal" was still on the table. IF USAPA decided to honor the Nicolau award AND accept the Kirby Proposal it would mean a 3% increase for AWA pilots (NB would go from $142 to $146...give or take). East NB goes from $125 to $146 AND ADDITIONAL VACATION, 401K payments, full pay for DH, MX & cancellations.
I wouldn't vote for it, BUT the company said in the Addington trial that they were prepa to go higher. How high?
As we type the NAC is negotiations a WORSE contract than the KP!!
Absolutely nothing. It was BlackSwan who initiated the whole discussion with a lame attempt to slight the west about the decline of home equity in PHX, with gibberish about cashing out mortgages, being underwater, and being unable to retire. Jetz was just pointing out the fallacies of his premise and conclusions. Quite well I might add.
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You really are out to lunch. Do you talk like this in real life? How do you get through a checklist? Do captains get tired of saying "what the heck did you just say?" all day long?
FYI, I left TWA years before the AA acquisition. Unlike you I was smart enough to see a dying airline when I saw one, and moved on to greener pastures while there was still time. You guys all decided to stay at the party on the deck of the Titanic.
Oh well.
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If you really only have 17 months you will retire on LOA 93. You got what you got you have no choice but to ride it out. No way we get a new contract in 17 months. DOH or Nicolau. Damn 10 years on a BK contract being the worst paid in the industry. ALPA got you there for 5 years and usapa will keep you there for 5 years.
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Seriously! You don't know why losing the loa 93 arbitration is going to make a difference?
Unless you already know you lost.
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#1) Ask your buddy Black Swan. He started that conversation. I just finished it.
#2) If USAPA prevails, AND DOH is used as a precedent in the UA/CO merger, then the effect on MY seniority will be that I would go from a 757/767 f/o to a line holding 737 captain or even a junior 757 captain as seats become available. You guys talk about attrition. Between Co and UA, we will retire about 800 pilots per year, almost exclusively from the left seat and about 2/3 from widebody left seats, continuing for at least a decade. Additionally, if USAPA prevails, then anyone who is unhappy with the integration could potentially walk away from binding arbitration through a card drive and send us into a civil war much like your own for years to come, with the only winners being management and the lawyers.
So applying USAPA's methods would benefit me greatly. But it still doesn't make it right, ethical, or fair IMO. I am starting to believe that we will have our Joint Contract and SLI long before your battle is resolved. So it may have no effect in the end.
Thats my point Bob,If the senior east pilots said yes to the nic tomorrow we are still many years away from a contract. Does anyone think the company is going to give anything with out a fight. The nic has nothing to do with it.
...and your taking it like a c###Jetz is really touching nerves, you guys can't leave him alone (except for his logic and ideas). Reality must be hard for "y'all". There! Talkin' like a Carolinan
Lay it out for us. I'm interested in your expected timeline.
Sorry CB but my idea was W/B's at least $ 200/hr, less than that, dont waste my time. Our old vacation schedule, they can keep d/h and mx cancellations. It looks like I'll be sticking with that guy with 17 yrs.
P.S. I think $146/hr is an insult.
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So I'd imagine then that the REALITY of $125.00/Hr is absolutely maddening then? I hope you'll learn to cope in a mentally healthy way given the fact that your captains will be earning that for at LEAST the next 3years. Most likely longer. At a minimum, you should be proud that at least you got what you wanted...usapa.
What 3 years? Haven't you heard? A revolution is right around the corner. Just waiting on clear, cb and luv to give us the details of their various plans. I'm thinking cb and luv aren't on the same script.
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I just looked at the attrition numbers. Boys and girls you had better go back and do some calculating. Your stand alone attrition compared to combined attrition using the Nicolau is a flat joke. I about fell out of my chair when I say what the numbers are and what you guys think you are getting and what you are really giving up. After seeing these numbers I am more convinced than ever that you east guys have been sold a bill of goods or don't know how to do simple math.
Over the next 10 years using the Nicolau award combined attrition costs the east somewhere between 20 and 30 upgrades per year. That is it 20-30. Every one of you east guys is giving up about $35,000.00 per year because 20-30 east F/O's would have to wait an additional max of 2 years. That is it. So much for your all mighty valuable attrition.
Pull your heads out and figure it out. I think your heads have been up your tailpipes for so long that the O2 has been cut off to your brains. Before you start screaming that can't be right. Clear's a liar. Blah, blah, blah. Put the numbers up and prove me wrong.
I will give you a hint to get you started. Nicolau ratioed the list 2/3 east 1/3 west. So every 3 upgrades the east gets 2. Every 300 upgrades the east gets 200. Show your work. Figure out what your temper tantrum is really costing you. Captains take a look at the whiny schoolgirl next to you. He has cost you 5 years so far. How much longer are you going to let him cost you money just so he can have your seat?
20-30 fo's per year difference between separate ops and combined ops using the Nicolau.
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