US Pilots Labor Discussion

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Exactly my point. The obvious is sometimes lost on Swan.

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[john john]

Nope, Phoenix. What's a Line of Credit? :huh:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line_of_credit
A line of credit is any 😛

 

[end_of_alpa]

Can you speak for ALL east pilots or only yourself? Have you taken away their vote on what to think?

I thought you said the ninth settled all of this with their ruling. How is it that you now still need a lawsuit? If case law was on your side we would not be in Silvers court. But we are. Guess that makes you wrong. If you had case law on your side usapa would be pushing for an expedited trial instead of delaying at all cost. Guess that makes you wrong again.

This is America, dude! You can sue and sue and sue. The company sees an advantage to separate the groups so they'll take it. What's new?

Its still early to ask for expedited trial but I'm game.

Good luck.

 

[cleardirect]

This is America, dude! You can sue and sue and sue. The company sees an advantage to separate the groups so they'll take it. What's new?

Its still early to ask for expedited trial but I'm game.

Good luck.

usapa is proving that point over and over again. If they only had a case.

How much longer is usapa going to wait to expedite? It has been over a year now. You are the one saying the ninth said usapa can do whatever they want. Let's move this along.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

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[mikey60]

They still can't explain what "binding" means. To the easties, sorry you joined on to US and expected so much and got treated badly, but that is in the past, no one in the west gives a rat's ass about your old troubles. But, when you bring your pissed off entitlement whining to this newly merged (after AWA bought you 😀 ), well, it gets old. Its not our fault you made a bad choice in life.

Binding...it means....Binding!

Speaking of trouble, tell the nice people of the forum how it is making it on less than $3000 a month. You shouldn't give a rat's ass about the east you have a plate full by yourself. Whats it like doing 3meals a day at Micky D's.

 

[Pi brat]

There is a big difference between trying to get a full and final decision that all parties can act upon versus actions that serve no purpose or benefit to anyone other than to delay a final decision. USAPA is only interested in the latter, or so it would seem based on their penchant for filing court documents that only serve to slow the process down to a crawl. They certainly seem to fear an definitive answer unless it's all done just to fund $eham's offshore accounts.

I know that you feel that it serves no purpose, but I can assure you that many east pilots feel just as strongly that USAPA will prevail. Do you think that anyone thought OJ Simpson was guilty? I bet someone made a statement about his case that was just as assertive as yours, yet he walked.

Do you have some proof that the only thing they are interested in is delay?

 

[Pi brat]

usapa is proving that point over and over again. If they only had a case.

How much longer is usapa going to wait to expedite? It has been over a year now. You are the one saying the ninth said usapa can do whatever they want. Let's move this along.

Serious question: If USAPA can expedite it, can the Addington defendants?

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Serious question: If USAPA can expedite it, can the Addington defendants?

Well actually PI they tried that, get it in an AZ court, sympathetic judge with connections, wanting USAPA to towel IN (FOREGO APPEAL) AOL's strategy is to wear down resolve , now you have the company, saying we luv this battle, to the point we want the WEST(won't happen ) to be a seperate class, (WISH THEY WERE A SEPERATE CLASS), And guess why that is? MM!

 

[Barrister]

The problem is we don't have a national seniority list. We are not electricians or plumbers. We can't take our experience or YOS to any other airline. Just like you can't take your DOH and go to Delta and say "I want to live in Atlanta. You earn what you earn at YOUR airline. That currency means nothing once you move across the boarder. It is what it is. So when a merger happens, you have no choice but look at the circumstances of each merger and come to some conclusions. Hence the neutral third party. Hence and arbitrator. You can't decide to have a do over once you get there. The only way to achieve that is to have a pre-nup. If xyz doesn't happen, then the merger is off. Something like that. Not a possibility for US when the doors were days away from closing.

You do earn your seniority. In your case you "earned" a furloughed position if you had less than 17 years. You "earned" a junior reserve position on the lowest paid equipment if you had 18 years. etc. Too many of your brothers and sisters look over their shoulder and want compare what other's have, instead of looking at what they have. Yes, I know... there's the attrition. The east did not give Nicolau any options or opinions on the matter, so he came up with 2/3 as his compromise. It's a pretty accurate number considering the facts.

Then why did the senior AirTran guy only EARN a spot 1600 numbers down....why didn't he get the number 2 spot??????????

Just ATFQ

NICDOA
NPJB

 

[nic4us]

Serious question: If USAPA can expedite it, can the Addington defendants?

don't know how the West can stop usapa from filing every frivolous motion imaginable on their way to another loss.

We will really see some filing once the company responds to the case in DC.

Would not be surprised if an entirely new suit is filed against usapa from the West once we start getting evidence in the DC trial.


If the NMB mediator does not side with usapa in their claim that the company is stalling, usapa is on the ropes. Intentionally delaying, not bargaining in good faith, all in an effort to frustrate contract ratification and delay the Nic is a ripe DFR right now. Don't believe me, just ask the majority opinion in Addington v. usapa.

 

[nic4us]

Then why did the senior AirTran guy only EARN a spot 1600 numbers down....why didn't he get the number 2 spot??????????

Just ATFQ

NICDOA
NPJB

Is the SW/AT SLI complete?

Each case turns on its own merits. If the #1 AT pilot is now #1600, I am guessing there were at least 1600 SW pilots making substantial more money than the #1 AT pilot.

Further, AT # 1 is likely still #1 in ATL, with a much larger paycheck, a much larger airline, and enhanced job security.

 

[fodase]

Then why did the senior AirTran guy only EARN a spot 1600 numbers down....why didn't he get the number 2 spot??????????

Just ATFQ

NICDOA
NPJB

why did the airtran guys get doh MINUS 6 years? Sounds closer to the Nic. than usapa's doh.

 

[cleardirect]

Serious question: If USAPA can expedite it, can the Addington defendants?

Would usapa agree to it?

The company or the west can not stop Cleary from filing every delay he can think of.

 

[Pi brat]

Would usapa agree to it?

The company or the west can not stop Cleary from filing every delay he can think of.

Maybe I misunderstood you. It sounded like you were implying that USAPA could file a motion to speed things up. Are you saying just not do things to slow it down, like import from the Wake trial? Because no, I can't see them doing that.

What have they done to slow it down other than the motion to dismiss?