US Pilots Labor Discussion

[cleardirect]

Maybe I misunderstood you. It sounded like you were implying that USAPA could file a motion to speed things up. Are you saying just not do things to slow it down, like import from the Wake trial? Because no, I can't see them doing that.

What have they done to slow it down other than the motion to dismiss?

No you understood correctly. Why has usapa slowed it down by filing the motion to dismiss and fighting the class cert. Instead of asking for an expedited trial and getting on with it?

Yes by agreeing to import the evidence from the Addington trila like the company and the west want to do. Instead the only group in the room that wants to redo everything is usapa. Redoing everything means months of discovery more delays and additional expense. when you have 3 groups in court and 2 agree the odd man out is the one delaying.

Let's get to it. If you and usapa are so confident in what the ninth said and your position that usapa is free to bargain let the court agree with you and move on. usapa could ask for expedited trial and get this thing moving. usapa asked for it in the appeal to the ninth and the west agreed.

 

[toganoflex]

Definition of hypocrisy as found in USAPA's latest filing against the company:


96. Beginning in Spring 2007, and continuing to the present, defendants have refused to comply with previous settlements between the parties, previous arbitration awards, and previous awarded grievances.

 

[toganoflex]

Anyone figure out why USAPA hasn't mentioned anything about ALPA's loss to the TWA pilots?

You'd think they'd be all over it.

That is unless it hurts their argument.

 

[HPearlyretiree]

Speaking of trouble, tell the nice people of the forum how it is making it on less than $3000 a month. You shouldn't give a rat's ass about the east you have a plate full by yourself. Whats it like doing 3meals a day at Micky D's.

DEFLECT!!!!

Answer the question: When three parties agree to binding arbitration, what does that mean? Does that mean that it really isn't binding if you don't like the outcome? Its chicken-$*%& behavior from the east.

You make an agreement you live up to it...you would be calling out Mgmt if they didn't live up to a binding agreement.

In your heart, you know I'm right, no amount of cognitive dissonance is gonna get you through it.

 

[HPearlyretiree]

Well actually PI they tried that, get it in an AZ court, sympathetic judge with connections, wanting USAPA to towel IN (FOREGO APPEAL) AOL's strategy is to wear down resolve , now you have the company, saying we luv this battle, to the point we want the WEST(won't happen ) to be a seperate class, (WISH THEY WERE A SEPERATE CLASS), And guess why that is? MM!

Through your labored attempt at writing and spelling, I gather you again are making potentially libelous statements about the judge. As usual with no evidence other than the fact that you are pissed off that you didn't get a pony or something.

They let you fly a plane? Seriously?

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Through your labored attempt at writing and spelling, I gather you again are making potentially libelous statements about the judge. As usual with no evidence other than the fact that you are pissed off that you didn't get a pony or something.

They let you fly a plane? Seriously?

Among other things yes I actually fly !Just stating facts, he does need to look up the meaning of "RIPE" among other law terms and procedure, cost AOL lots of dinero, Oh and the pissed off thing, keep working, you see very soon, I won't have to! MM! HPRETIREE isn't that a contradiction in terms!

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

No you understood correctly. Why has usapa slowed it down by filing the motion to dismiss and fighting the class cert. Instead of asking for an expedited trial and getting on with it?

Yes by agreeing to import the evidence from the Addington trila like the company and the west want to do. Instead the only group in the room that wants to redo everything is usapa. Redoing everything means months of discovery more delays and additional expense. when you have 3 groups in court and 2 agree the odd man out is the one delaying.

Let's get to it. If you and usapa are so confident in what the ninth said and your position that usapa is free to bargain let the court agree with you and move on. usapa could ask for expedited trial and get this thing moving. usapa asked for it in the appeal to the ninth and the west agreed.

USAPA is doing everthing to protect it's members, importing ANYTHING from a tossed lawsuit is unthinkable! Besides, time is something we all have, and we have been assured AOL has plenty of money! MM!

 

[cleardirect]

USAPA is doing everthing to protect it's members, importing ANYTHING from a tossed lawsuit is unthinkable! Besides, time is something we all have, and we have been assured AOL has plenty of money! MM!

Correction. usapa is doing everything it can to protect east pilots. Not all of it's members.

Protect east pilots from what though? All you east guys say that the Nicolau is dead. You say the ninth said so. So what do you need protection from? Could it be that you all know the Nicolau is not dead and that eventually it is going to hit you all between the eyes.

Delay is all you got. No you don't have time. What is your average age? How many retire in the next 5 years? All are going to leave on LOA 93 wages and work rules because usapa is delaying.

Guess what. All of that evidence from the Addington is going to make it's way into this trial. Bradford's smoking gun letter. What might not come in is all of the distraction that Seham threw in last time. This is not about the fairness of Nicolau. This is about if the company has to use the Nicolau. The court does not care what it is other than was it agreed to by all 3 sides.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Correction. usapa is doing everything it can to protect east pilots. Not all of it's members.

Protect east pilots from what though? All you east guys say that the Nicolau is dead. You say the ninth said so. So what do you need protection from? Could it be that you all know the Nicolau is not dead and that eventually it is going to hit you all between the eyes.

Delay is all you got. No you don't have time. What is your average age? How many retire in the next 5 years? All are going to leave on LOA 93 wages and work rules because usapa is delaying.

Guess what. All of that evidence from the Addington is going to make it's way into this trial. Bradford's smoking gun letter. What might not come in is all of the distraction that Seham threw in last time. This is not about the fairness of Nicolau. This is about if the company has to use the Nicolau. The court does not care what it is other than was it agreed to by all 3 sides.

Yes we have plenty of time, according to your ,"fall on the floor" attrition discovery, it is not a big deal! So be it,Agreements can be modified, RLA gives wide latitude, Those 2 MEC's don't exist, Better question, "What do you need relief from" We are fully prepared to see it play out, if your not, maybe you shouldn't have played! MM!

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Well we on the EAST don't remember the WEST putting up much resistence when the company asked to be removed in the ADDINGTON, now why was that? We all know why, was it a smoking gun courtroom? MM!

 

[luvthe9]

AMR orders 460 Boeing/Airbus. http://www.marketwatch.com/story/amr-shares-jump-on-jet-purchases-eagle-spinoff-2011-07-20

 

[Res Judicata]

AMR orders 460 Boeing/Airbus. http://www.marketwatch.com/story/amr-shares-jump-on-jet-purchases-eagle-spinoff-2011-07-20

USAPA files Lawsuit #563 in defense of a yellow lanyard. News at 11.

 

[nic4us]

Correction. usapa is doing everything it can to protect east pilots. Not all of it's members.

Protect east pilots from what though? All you east guys say that the Nicolau is dead. You say the ninth said so. So what do you need protection from? Could it be that you all know the Nicolau is not dead and that eventually it is going to hit you all between the eyes.

Delay is all you got. No you don't have time. What is your average age? How many retire in the next 5 years? All are going to leave on LOA 93 wages and work rules because usapa is delaying.

Guess what. All of that evidence from the Addington is going to make it's way into this trial. Bradford's smoking gun letter. What might not come in is all of the distraction that Seham threw in last time. This is not about the fairness of Nicolau. This is about if the company has to use the Nicolau. The court does not care what it is other than was it agreed to by all 3 sides.

Clear,

Not that I want one, but a perfect example is the yellow safety lanyard. usapa is now going to litigate the right to wear the yellow union's lanyard, saying it has the right to show solidarity and wear union bling.

Two problems with their arguement.

1. Is it a union lanyard, when it was only issued to the east 2/3rds of the pilot group, or is it actually just another symbol of usapa's continuing DFR against the West?

2. When the company demonstrates the exceptional reasons they have for banning the lanyard, usapa is going to wish they did not push the issue.


Looking forward to the compay's response to the DC suit. Plenty of evidence from that trial will make its way into the DJ. Like I said, unless the NMB mediator comes in with usapa, admits to not doing their job, and sides with usapa, saying the company is not negotiating in good faith, usapa is toast.

 

[cleardirect]

Yes we have plenty of time, according to your ,"fall on the floor" attrition discovery, it is not a big deal! So be it,Agreements can be modified, RLA gives wide latitude, Those 2 MEC's don't exist, Better question, "What do you need relief from" We are fully prepared to see it play out, if your not, maybe you shouldn't have played! MM!

What is it mad man? Do you have plenty of time or are you all going to retire very soon? What agreement do you think you need to change the rules on again?

We need relief from east pilots trying to steal our jobs, from Cleary filing constant law suits, usapa making stupid decisions, east pilots trying to put this airline out of business to prove what tough guys you all think you are.

Oh yes the west is ready to play this out. We all know that a contract is probably 5 years away. If you are ready to play this out tell your leadership to expedite the trial and stop dragging their feet. Most of the west will still be here 5 years from now. Will you be? How about the guys retiring in 5 years? Are they willing to retire on LOA 93 just to help the junior guy in the right seat?

Let's get to the trial. Tell usapa to stop delaying. What are you guys afraid of? Another third party telling you man up and live up to your agreements.

 

[Pi brat]

No you understood correctly. Why has usapa slowed it down by filing the motion to dismiss and fighting the class cert. Instead of asking for an expedited trial and getting on with it?

Yes by agreeing to import the evidence from the Addington trila like the company and the west want to do. Instead the only group in the room that wants to redo everything is usapa. Redoing everything means months of discovery more delays and additional expense. when you have 3 groups in court and 2 agree the odd man out is the one delaying.

Let's get to it. If you and usapa are so confident in what the ninth said and your position that usapa is free to bargain let the court agree with you and move on. usapa could ask for expedited trial and get this thing moving. usapa asked for it in the appeal to the ninth and the west agreed.

I'd never had much dealing withthe legal system until this mess. Although it is based on written laws, it almost seems like religion with different parties reading ito the laws what they want them to mean. I've often written that off as the two legal teams determing what is meant by how much money it put in their pockets.

If you remove your personal views from this you can see that there is no way USAPA can support importing from Addington. That have claimed from early on that Judge Wake mishandled the case, so if they were to say sure, let it in, it would look pretty stupid. As long as they client supports the legal team, I don't see how they can change the attitude now.

It was the same with the west. What would have happened to your support had the legal team not fought all the way to the SCOTUS? Might have planted some seeds of doubt.

Fro one side to scream about the other delaying is b.s. We have to accept that unless we decide to try something else each side with do everything possible to win.

One last thing. The "west has no separate group to represent them is bull. AOL has become the representitive of the west. They just don't have the liablity because the west has freely given them the priviledge while USAPA has the legal burden.