US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Glucose Intolerant]

Uhhhhh....."propaganda,...Kool Aid,....tantrums & denial.."...now I know you're speaking of USAPA.

Once again Cleary has stepped on his USAPA. BTW, the last time you guys used my union dues for a full page USA TODAY ad! The call sign became CACTUS. I wonder what Doug is going to do this time?

What he usually does........ Is it Happy Hour in PHX yet?

 

[Beancounter]

Just finished watching the latest video from USAPA president Cleary. If what he said about the A330 crew is true, that is very disturbing. I cant' help but wonder though, have USAPA's actions helped to bring incidents like this about. It's like the boy who cried wolf. You use safety as a bargaining device and do stupid things like take out an add in USA Today and how is the company to know if an action is for safety or not? Now every time there is a questionable safety related delay the company is going to wonder. Captain authority is a very important responsibility and should not be taken likely. People like myself who were sitting on a fence post are going to side against USAPA if they start jeopardizing the important responsibilities and duties of this profession. There are things about being an airline pilot that are more important than money and seniority.

 

[nycbusdriver]

Just finished watching the latest video from USAPA president Cleary. If what he said about the A330 crew is true, that is very disturbing. I cant' help but wonder though, have USAPA's actions helped to bring incidents like this about. It's like the boy who cried wolf. You use safety as a bargaining device and do stupid things like take out an add in USA Today and how is the company to know if an action is for safety or not? Now every time there is a questionable safety related delay the company is going to wonder. Captain authority is a very important responsibility and should not be taken likely. People like myself who were sitting on a fence post are going to side against USAPA if they start jeopardizing the important responsibilities and duties of this profession. There are things about being an airline pilot that are more important than money and seniority.

Yes, the next time a captain refuses to take you on an airplane ride because he/she feels the airplane is unsafe, you just complain about it until they can find a captain who will take an unsafe airplane to maintain schedule.

Fool.

 

[Beancounter]

Yes, the next time a captain refuses to take you on an airplane ride because he/she feels the airplane is unsafe, you just complain about it until they can find a captain who will take an unsafe airplane to maintain schedule.

Fool.

Actually I went head to head against the DFO at a commuter when I was a chief pilot to fight against exactly what you're talking about. My question to you is; are you really an airline pilot and if so, do you fly an airplane with the same level of maturity that you post? Is so, I find your comments on safety both amusing and concerning.

 

[CallawayGolf]

There's little doubt that there is more to this story than what USAPA claims. I prefer to wait to see what other facts come out before I make any claims as to who is or isn't right in this situation. However, based on reputation, I would absolutely doubt that anyone in Management would knowingly or intentionally order a flight crew to fly an aircraft that was known to have a genuine mechanical/electrical issue. No one, and I mean no one wants to have an incident or accident because of scheduling demands or meeting DOT performance metrics. If someone in Management tried to pull such a thing they would be walked out the door immediately and I suspect Captain Paul Morell would be first in line to see that such a fool got the boot he/she deserved.

On the other hand, I wouldn't trust USAPA or one of their lanyard-wearing zealots to tell the truth if their life depended on it. Was there an issue? Maybe, maybe not but you certainly cannot ascertain that information based on taking an east pilot or Mike Cleary at his/her word. We all know how poorly USAPA/east pilots have kept their word over the past five years. You know the saying - once a liar, always a liar. Furthermore, I wouldn't at all put intentional sabotage past USAPA and their unscrupulous behavior.

Cleary want's DOH and nobody is listening to him. Cleary wants to make safety a negotiating ploy and nobody is listening to him. Cleary wants to destroy the west pilots and nobody is listening to him. Cleary wants a VP fired and nobody listening to him. So, what's a narcissistic sociopath who wants his way and all the attention he can get supposed to do when nobody is listening to him? Well, create your own crisis and then blame it on your enemy. Isn't that what Dateline NBC did when they wanted to do a story about pickup trucks that explode? Can't get it to work without intervention so you setup explosives for the camera and then lie to the everyone about what really happened.

Anyway, I suspect that is at least as plausible as anything Cleary said in his stupid USA Today ad.

 

[luvn737s]

So, are you ready to replace USAPA yet? I think we may have just hit the tipping point.

 

[crazystnic]

So, are you ready to replace USAPA yet? I think we may have just hit the tipping point.

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ah the answer is no.... replace management yes.. USAPA NO

I see they already had HOGG breath write a rebutal...

it's pretty obvious even if you filter out the noise that this managemnet is contempt and is vile....

they lead by intimidation and fear...

as Doug put's his kaykey pants on and smiles.... what an A((

 

[luvn737s]

Why not? What have they accomplished? Do they make you feel good?

Do you think that doing nothing is worth $2000+ a year? Do you support their lack of transparency in their financial dealings? Do you think a President should have the freedom to act without direction from the membership?

If you could opt out of dues payment/agency fee, how much would you donate every month to USAPA for them to accomplish what they have during their tenure?

 

[Iclubbabyseals]

There's little doubt that there is more to this story than what USAPA claims.

As someone who is in a position to know, yes, there is much more to the story. All bad for this pathetic management who loves stirring the pot.

This involves violations of Federal laws on the part of the company. The entire crew is behind the captain. The lead flight attendant will not stop and wants blood from the Tempe fools. You know, the same ones who apparently did not have to work very hard to neuter the west pilots. As one east flight attendant says, time for you westies to grow a couple.

I mean, you have agents telling you when an aircraft is airworthy and able to be boarded. Are you all nuts to allow this to happen? What, exactly, does an agent know about whether an airframe is safe to board?

 

[luvn737s]

Yes, the next time a captain refuses to take you on an airplane ride because he/she feels the airplane is unsafe, you just complain about it until they can find a captain who will take an unsafe airplane to maintain schedule.

Fool.

How have you helped the pilot who has a legitimate mechanical problem and is tarred by the childish acts of a few east pilots clamoring for relevance? Policies and procedures that have been in place for decades have served the pilots of AWA/US well. If it is in the MEL, you take it. If it's a rare gray area, you will likely find no one challenging your assessment, but you better know what you're talking about.

The airplanes belong to USAirways and as such they will be operated the way USAirways wants. A mature adult would understand that.

I find it ironic that even your much revered Sopping-Wet Sullenberger chose to retire rather than put himself in a position to tell his fellow pilots they're full of it when it comes to safety.

 

[luvn737s]

I mean, you have agents telling you when an aircraft is airworthy and able to be boarded. Are you all nuts to allow this to happen? What, exactly, does an agent know about whether an airframe is safe to board?

I think the west pilots know that the agent is just relaying that maintenance has released the aircraft. You see, we understand what people mean when they speak, instead of just hearing what we want to hear. That's called experience. Get some.

 

[Res Judicata]

So, are you ready to replace USAPA yet? I think we may have just hit the tipping point.

This is going to blow up in USAPA's face. Just like every other desperate act to force relevance. They are nothing more than a terrorist group with a list of demands. You don't negotiate with terrorists, you kill them. Watch what the company does next. Cleary is going to have an aneurysm.

BTW, anybody else notice that NOT A SINGLE IMPORTANT NEWS SERVICE picked up on this "story" today? Another tantrum demanding relevance gone ignored.

 

[luvn737s]

I heard it was mentioned during morning announcements at a summer school in Charlotte. Then it was interrupted by breaking news of turkey burritos replacing chicken nuggets in the lunchroom.

 

[No Land Green]

I think the west pilots know that the agent is just relaying that maintenance has released the aircraft. You see, we understand what people mean when they speak, instead of just hearing what we want to hear. That's called experience. Get some.

Have you spent much time around airplanes?

Knocked another one out of the park didn't you Old Emcee Donald......LMAO!!!!

Had an agent once tell my FO that the fluid dripping off the bottom of the engine nacelle was just some fuel from the drain mast.....WRONG: oil line was disconnected from the engine with engine oil all over the inside of the nacelle and dripping off the bottom of the nacelle. At least the contract maintenance was able to properly repair the oil line after a three hour delay. That agent sure was smart, LMAO. Yeah my FO understood completely what the agent was saying LMAO!!!!!!

You are a riot luvn......

 

[high*flyer]

"The airplanes belong to USAirways and as such they will be operated the way USAirways wants. A mature adult would understand that."



A private pilots license or at least soloing, will give you a better understanding of who's aircraft it really is!