US Pilots Labor Discussion

[mrbreeze]

So, you are the CPT flying a flight across the Atlantic...you get to the A/C and find that there is a problem not only with the APU, but also with the Hot Battery Bus. Will you fly this airplane for a 9 hr flight over the Atlantic, considering all the ETOPS restirctions, and at night? Then when you refuse, and try to talk to the next crew about the problem, you are escorted off the airport by corporate security.

Should you be fired?

Who are these corporate security goons?

I was scheduled to DH on a flt out of CLT....I think to MIA a couple of yrs ago. The flight was full so I told the ticket agent that I would ride the JS and give up my DH seat in the cabin as long as it didn't bump someone off the JS. Well, an AA pilot shows up requesting the jumpseat.....no problem. I will just keep my seat in the cabin. While sitting in my cabin seat, this passenger shows up, telling me that I am in his seat and that the agent wants to talk to me on the jetway. I get up to see what is going on...the agent is giving me some crap about not helping the company out, and calls the CP in CLT. I discuss it with him, he agrees that I am within my rights, but before anything else can happen these corporate security goons show up and escort the AA pilot off the airplane, forcing me to ride in the cockpit, or miss my check-in at MIA.

This is the kind of heavy handed BS we are getting in the East. I will never offer to ride JS again to help the company. I will never answer the phone when the company callls me. I will never fly an airplane that has a maintence problem to help out. It's over.

breeze

 

[Res Judicata]

So, you are the CPT flying a flight across the Atlantic...you get to the A/C and find that there is a problem not only with the APU, but also with the Hot Battery Bus. Will you fly this airplane for a 9 hr flight over the Atlantic, considering all the ETOPS restirctions, and at night? Then when you refuse, and try to talk to the next crew about the problem, you are escorted off the airport by corporate security.

Should you be fired?

oh for God's sake, do you really believe that's the whole story??

Hasn't usapa proven themselves to be pathological liars adequately enough yet?

 

[mrbreeze]

oh for God's sake, do you really believe that's the whole story??

Hasn't usapa proven themselves to be pathological liars adequately enough yet?

Yes, that is the whole story, living in this environment, it's easy to see.....of course, being from the West, how much have you witnessed?

As I said, USAPA has nothing to do with it. Of course, you have freakin been there and know better......

Don't make an ass of yourself.

 

[Res Judicata]

Yes, that is the whole story, living in this environment, it's easy to see.....of course, being from the West, how much have you witnessed?

As I said, USAPA has nothing to do with it. Of course, you have freakin been there and know better......

Don't make an ass of yourself.

Are you a pilot? Let me give you a little inside info. Pilots don't get escorted out of the airport by corporate security for writing up a maintenance item. USAPA has absolutely EVERYTHING to do with their latest USA today embarrassment. It's all about DOH and the glaring fact that they have been fully complete failures as a pilot union.

What "environment" do you live in? Mars?

 

[mrbreeze]

Are you a pilot? Let me give you a little inside info. Pilots don't get escorted out of the airport by corporate security for writing up a maintenance item. USAPA has absolutely EVERYTHING to do with their latest USA today embarrassment. It's all about DOH and the glaring fact that they have been fully complete failures as a pilot union.

What "environment" do you live in? Mars?

I am your nighmare, Junior.....enemy in your narrow vision, a 25 yr Intl FO on the 76, based in Philly, where all the BS is going on, unlike PHX.

What else do you want to know about me...I have nothing to hide.

Pilots do get escorted out of the airport by corporate security goons when they insist on talking to the next crew about the problems with an aircraft. Wouldn't you be interested in hearing what the previous crew had to say about an a/c before you headed out over the North Atlantic at night? Or are you unprofessional enough that you would screw your mother for a buck? eh? tell us the truth!

One other crew refused the aircraft after Cpt Wells declined it...does that not tell you something, or is your screwed up opinion of USAPA that freakin biased?

As far as USAPA being an embarrassment, that's your warped opinion. I hope you get based in the East someday so that you can see the truth.

Let's say that one of your respected senior Cpts refused to fly an airplane from PHX to Hawaii at night. He finds that the APU is inop and has a problem with the Hot Battery Bus. Are you going to support his decision or give in to some political BS rumor that is going around? He tries to hang around the aircraft to talk to the next crew, but is escorted off the airport by the goons. Where is your loyalty man? Or do you just want the political machine to get the guy fired so that you can move your sorry ass up a number?

breeze

 

[Res Judicata]

I am your nighmare, Junior.....enemy in your narrow vision, a 25 yr Intl FO on the 76, based in Philly, where all the BS is going on, unlike PHX.

What else do you want to know about me...I have nothing to hide.

Pilots do get escorted out of the airport by corporate security goons when they insist on talking to the next crew about the problems with an aircraft. Wouldn't you be interested in hearing what the previous crew had to say about an a/c before you headed out over the North Atlantic at night? Or are you unprofessional enough that you would screw your mother for a buck? eh? tell us the truth!

One other crew refused the aircraft after Cpt Wells declined it...does that not tell you something, or is your screwed up opinion of USAPA that freakin biased?

As far as USAPA being an embarrassment, that's your warped opinion. I hope you get based in the East someday so that you can see the truth.

Let's say that one of your respected senior Cpts refused to fly an airplane from PHX to Hawaii at night. He finds that the APU is inop and has a problem with the Hot Battery Bus. Are you going to support his decision or give in to some political BS rumor that is going around? He tries to hang around the aircraft to talk to the next crew, but is escorted off the airport by the goons. Where is your loyalty man? Or do you just want the political machine to get the guy fired so that you can move your sorry ass up a number?

breeze

You sir, are no nightmare of mine. I don't give the slightest sh** who you are or what you do for a living. So now you expect me to believe that us airways is run like a facsist dictatorship whereby any trouble makers are escorted out of the airport by some nebulous thug? For what? Doing their job reasonably? USAPA has been operating as an incompetent organized crime family for 3.5 years. I haven't heard nearly as much hyperbolic, hysterical outage from Easties over that before...except during the "ID theft" scandal, (when is the FBI issuing mass arrest warrants again?)

My Loyalties lie with my profession...not with a deranged minority with Narcassistic Personality Disorder. USAPA and the East pilots are singulary and solely responsible for this miserable mess. Your dear Captain Wells stuck her neck out on USAPAs orders and is about to get that same neck slashed. Don't insult our intelligence. We all know...everybody...we all know what your weak, pathetic illegal "safety" campaign is all about. You haven't fooled a single person. That would explain the absolutely stunning lack of interest even the smallest legitimate news organization has showed to your fake union and your trumped up, fully manufactured safety concerns. 😀 😀 maybe this is news to you but 98% of the East pilots I've met hate USAPAs guts. Not everybody is okay with the inmates running the asylum.

USAPA IS A LIAR UNION, RUN BY LIARS, FOR LIARS. The truly amazing part is you actually think there is another soul in this country that believes otherwise, (outside the deranged inner circle of the BPR that is)

 

[mrbreeze]

You sir, are no nightmare of mine. I don't give the slightest sh** who you are or what you do for a living. So now you expect me to believe that us airways is run like a facsist dictatorship whereby any trouble makers are escorted out of the airport by some nebulous thug? For what? Doing their job reasonably? USAPA has been operating as an incompetent organized crime family for 3.5 years. I haven't heard nearly as much hyperbolic, hysterical outage from Easties over that before...except during the "ID theft" scandal, (when is the FBI issuing mass arrest warrants again?)

My Loyalties lie with my profession...not with a deranged minority with Narcassistic Personality Disorder. USAPA and the East pilots are singulary and solely responsible for this miserable mess. Your dear Captain Wells stuck her neck out on USAPAs orders and is about to get that same neck slashed. Don't insult our intelligence. We all know...everybody...we all know what your weak, pathetic illegal "safety" campaign is all about. You haven't fooled a single person. That would explain the absolutely stunning lack of interest even the smallest legitimate news organization has showed to your fake union and your trumped up, fully manufactured safety concerns. 😀 😀 maybe this is news to you but 98% of the East pilots I've met hate USAPAs guts. Not everybody is okay with the inmates running the asylum.

USAPA IS A LIAR UNION, RUN BY LIARS, FOR LIARS. The truly amazing part is you actually think there is another soul in this country that believes otherwise, (outside the deranged inner circle of the BPR that is)

Ok, Junior. But you forgot to add one thing......that's your opinion. Show us some facts that support you charges. You don't have a freakin clue...just a big mouth.

breeze

 

[mrbreeze]

Ok, Junior. But you forgot to add one thing......that's your opinion. Show us some facts that support you charges. You don't have a freakin clue...just a big mouth.

breeze

Sorry, I should give you the benefit of the doubt. 98% of the East pilots you have met, eh? how many is that 3 or 4? I assure you that is not the prevailing attitude on the East. Come spend a week with us and see what is really going on.

Your loyalty is to your profession...what profession is that? the advancement of Res Judicata in any way possible?

I really wish you guys could come out East and see what is really going on....getting past your negative USAPA attitudes.

breeze

 

[Res Judicata]

I really wish you guys could come out East and see what is really going on....getting past your negative USAPA attitudes.

breeze

I asked you nicely to please not insult our intelligence. We all know EXACTLY Wyatt is "really going on" out East.

 

[Pi brat]

I asked you nicely to please not insult our intelligence. We all know EXACTLY Wyatt is "really going on" out East.

And everything USAPA and every pilots does is about DOH, right? Then why would Captain Wells be involved? She is in the 517 that have their DOH.

 

[mrbreeze]

I asked you nicely to please not insult our intelligence. We all know EXACTLY Wyatt is "really going on" out East.

Well, there you have it, your warped sense of reality.

You haven't asked me anything nicely, Junior. You told me not to insult your lack of intelligence.....recheck tha last few posts.

Of all the West guys on here, I have the least amount of respect for you, DH.

Ask me something nicely and I will respond, otherwise, this conversation is over and you are a fool...making no sense, with no loyalties to anyone except yourself.

breeze

 

[A320 Driver]

You sir, are no nightmare of mine. I don't give the slightest sh** who you are or what you do for a living. So now you expect me to believe that us airways is run like a facsist dictatorship whereby any trouble makers are escorted out of the airport by some nebulous thug? For what? Doing their job reasonably? USAPA has been operating as an incompetent organized crime family for 3.5 years. I haven't heard nearly as much hyperbolic, hysterical outage from Easties over that before...except during the "ID theft" scandal, (when is the FBI issuing mass arrest warrants again?)

My Loyalties lie with my profession...not with a deranged minority with Narcassistic Personality Disorder. USAPA and the East pilots are singulary and solely responsible for this miserable mess. Your dear Captain Wells stuck her neck out on USAPAs orders and is about to get that same neck slashed. Don't insult our intelligence. We all know...everybody...we all know what your weak, pathetic illegal "safety" campaign is all about. You haven't fooled a single person. That would explain the absolutely stunning lack of interest even the smallest legitimate news organization has showed to your fake union and your trumped up, fully manufactured safety concerns. 😀 😀 maybe this is news to you but 98% of the East pilots I've met hate USAPAs guts. Not everybody is okay with the inmates running the asylum.

USAPA IS A LIAR UNION, RUN BY LIARS, FOR LIARS. The truly amazing part is you actually think there is another soul in this country that believes otherwise, (outside the deranged inner circle of the BPR that is)

USAPA aside for a minute...
Isom says basically there was nothing wrong with the airplane. Why then, did they change the batteries and static inverter. WHY? The inference was that this whole thing was contrived by the union in the name of safety. I've read her account. I've talked to people that were there. She made a GOOD CALL. Even if she did say more than was necessary on the PA, is that worthy of an escort out of the secured area? When I make a PA, I ALWAYS tell the passengers what is going on. I tell them that safety is our primary concern and that we won't go until we are 100%. So you going to support me being escorted off the property for that? For keeping my passengers informed? For telling them that I won't take risks with their well being? This is NOT a USAPA thing or and EAST thing, this is a PILOT thing. ALL of us.

Now the company is running for cover. I hope she sues the living s### out of them and all this comes out in court. NO captain should have this happen under these circumstances. I hope this never happens to you...but it could, because YOU LET IT. Your blind hatred makes you think you are bulletproof. You are NOT. Better have another look before it is too late. Get the WHOLE story before you pass judgment.

Driver B)

 

[prechilill]

USAPA aside for a minute...
Isom says basically there was nothing wrong with the airplane. Why then, did they change the batteries and static inverter. WHY? The inference was that this whole thing was contrived by the union in the name of safety. I've read her account. I've talked to people that were there. She made a GOOD CALL. Even if she did say more than was necessary on the PA, is that worthy of an escort out of the secured area? When I make a PA, I ALWAYS tell the passengers what is going on. I tell them that safety is our primary concern and that we won't go until we are 100%. So you going to support me being escorted off the property for that? For keeping my passengers informed? For telling them that I won't take risks with their well being? This is NOT a USAPA thing or and EAST thing, this is a PILOT thing. ALL of us.

Now the company is running for cover. I hope she sues the living s### out of them and all this comes out in court. NO captain should have this happen under these circumstances. I hope this never happens to you...but it could, because YOU LET IT. Your blind hatred makes you think you are bulletproof. You are NOT. Better have another look before it is too late. Get the WHOLE story before you pass judgment.

Driver B)

The whole case is bull #### and the truth is probably somewhere in the middle between the company's version and USAPA's version. Either way, it is a slippery slope to go down and the union has to defend these cases otherwise more would follow. Being a west pilot without a union (or has a union that actually works against you) this case is extremely scary.

 

[Barrister]

I am your nighmare, Junior.....enemy in your narrow vision, a 25 yr Intl FO on the 76, based in Philly, where all the BS is going on, unlike PHX.

What else do you want to know about me...I have nothing to hide.

Pilots do get escorted out of the airport by corporate security goons when they insist on talking to the next crew about the problems with an aircraft. Wouldn't you be interested in hearing what the previous crew had to say about an a/c before you headed out over the North Atlantic at night? Or are you unprofessional enough that you would screw your mother for a buck? eh? tell us the truth!

One other crew refused the aircraft after Cpt Wells declined it...does that not tell you something, or is your screwed up opinion of USAPA that freakin biased?

As far as USAPA being an embarrassment, that's your warped opinion. I hope you get based in the East someday so that you can see the truth.

Let's say that one of your respected senior Cpts refused to fly an airplane from PHX to Hawaii at night. He finds that the APU is inop and has a problem with the Hot Battery Bus. Are you going to support his decision or give in to some political BS rumor that is going around? He tries to hang around the aircraft to talk to the next crew, but is escorted off the airport by the goons. Where is your loyalty man? Or do you just want the political machine to get the guy fired so that you can move your sorry ass up a number?

Bravo maestro!!!

NICDOA
NPJB

breeze

 

[Phoenix]

You sir, are no nightmare of mine. I don't give the slightest sh** who you are or what you do for a living......
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