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Face the truth, you don't have any understanding of how a decent airline operates.
I would say that an airline that furloughed pilots with 18 years did not have decent airline operations. I would call that a failing airline and a failed airline career. Tell us why did people call it US Scareways? That is not the name of a decent airline operation.
 
I would say that an airline that furloughed pilots with 18 years did not have decent airline operations. I would call that a failing airline and a failed airline career. Tell us why did people call it US Scareways? That is not the name of a decent airline operation.

Unlike the loveable America Worst. :blink: You guys really shouldn't be looking down on anyone.
 
Unlike the loveable America Worst. :blink: You guys really shouldn't be looking down on anyone.
Considering the number of aircraft you've put into the ground and the fact you're happy under LOA 93, I'd say pretty much anyone that moves an aircraft can look down on you guys out east.
 
The point is the airline management has a poor record with the FAA in this regard. Does the FAA wear white coats? Does the fact your airline CEO has a poor record with the FAA make you accuse others of being crazy? Face the fact your airline is a poor example of a competently run airline. They accuse pilots of maintenance issues they spawn themselves through poor management. You must have flown unsafe aircraft and carried them. This explains the disparity between eastern and western. Western pilots are used to colluding with Franke Air in operating substandard maintenance procedures. This explains why the eastern pilots find issue with Franke Air methods. Why didn t your ALPA safety reps address these massive allegations from the FAA? Do they cooperate with management in covering up safety issues until they can be used as a tool against the Real USAirways pilots? The industry story is western carries maintenance that should be accomplished to skew the figures against eastern. Disgusting. Then they back Franke Air again. Perhaps the judge will be made aware of the past record of the Franke Air Group with FAA maintenance issues. Perhaps the judge will agree eastern pilots are not willing to collude with Franke Air as do the western pilots, as the western really do not understand good maintenance procedures. Perhaps this explains the western operating certificate being discarded for the eastern, to try and drop the stigma carried by Franke Air. The western ETOPS was a debacle. Numerous attempts, until eastern straightened it out.


FAA May Ground America West


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P H O E N I X, Aug. 26
America West planes will be grounded unless the airline proves within a week that it has completed maintenance on a quarter of its fleet, federal regulators said Friday.

It was the second time this year in which the nation’s ninth-largest carrier faced disciplinary action over maintenance issues. The Federal Aviation Administration threatened in January to bar the suburban Tempe-based airline from acquiring additional planes until it provided adequate maintenance for the ones it had.

This time, David Gillom of the FAA told the airline by letter that, based on an audit and review, “we have serious concerns about American West’s continuous airworthiness maintenance program.”

Overall, the airline must show it has completed the checks on 35 of its 130 planes.

Airline Says It Can Answer Charges

America West President Douglas Parker and other senior executives were away on a company retreat and couldn’t be reached for comment, but Parker issued a statement saying the airline has completed the required maintenance and can prove it.
Didn't we just get a number of awards for safety and MX?

Ya, I'm pretty sure we did.

Hey Nos, how many passengers have you guys killed? Hull losses?

Focus here buddy.
 
I think the TRO is a lock on Friday. But the union because they wanted to represent the pilots is still responsible for the actions of the pilots. So if as some of you say usapa is not doing these things but just individual pilots. None of you would have a problem if the company fired the pilots that are doing the illegal things would you? Do you agree that usapa should actually ask the company to fire them and usapa should not spend any time or resources defending these pilots? After all these pilots have now caused the union to spend time and money defending itself against a law suit because of illegal actions. An injunction is going to restrict the leverage that we might have in getting a contract which hurts all of us. The company has a lot of evidence that an illegal job action is happening. Who is responsible? The union? Cleary for not stopping it? Individual pilots? Someone is going to take the hit for this. Who should it be?
When the suspect pilots are brought in and look termination in the face, they will roll over on Cleary and Mowery. This will pave the way for damages against USAPA. I want to be there when they take Cleary's ID!!
 
I've gotta admit Nossumclax - you've finally chosen an appropriate screen name...

Claxon: alternative spelling for klaxon; a device designed to do nothing but emit loud bursts of noise.

Jim
What can you expect from a rookie new comer to web boards. He only has 10 days of experience.
 
Did NW get all the 747 captain on F/O slots on the top? I wonder if their arbitrators used the PID status, but the fleet and slots from two years later? Know where I can find their award? Mr. DL pilot that was here earlier, can you answer?

The 747 and the 777 were considered equivalent for pay and seniority purposes, and those pilots were ratioed together.

Here's the award: http://freepdfhosting.com/a2893f774d.pdf
 
The 747 and the 777 were considered equivalent for pay and seniority purposes, and those pilots were ratioed together.

Here's the award: http://freepdfhosting.com/a2893f774d.pdf

Thanks, I will take a look. How about the other question? Were you aware that Nicolau did that here? Brucias dissent? It good reading.
 
Uh oh, sounds like I struck a nerve.

That status quo suit fray your nerves?

As for the dissenting opinion, it's minor at best. He agreed with 99% of the award.

Hey Pi, this mean you're going to unfriend me?
 
Well, that is where we part....apparently you have an ax to grind and a lot to lose if NIC is not part of our future.

At this point, USAPA has just as much to say in determining your future as NIC does....neither are in place, so all you have is your AW seniority. While you are demanding the NIC, you are screwing me out of a chance to get back in the left seat for the last 6 yrs that I have left here.....so who is being agressive? What is it that you hope to gain from the language that you just stated? Planning to leap frog over as many as possible in order to feed your greed? Your position would be protected....but not mine.

You just lost my respect.

gawd

That is okay,, I never had it anyway.

You just posted that I was screwing you out of something. It is that mentality that is the root cause here. The only thing I am screwing you out of is the ability to steal my job. Yours was protected just as much as mine. I did not "leap frog" anybody. Who is more greedy, me for wishing to retain my status, or you for being jealous of my status and wishing to take it from me?

You really screwed the pooch 4 years ago when you voted in usapa. You had 10 years from that time to greatly improve your income and working conditions, but instead you locked yourself into 10 years of LOA93, of which at least 4 so far have been in the right seat...ouch....you will never recoupe the money you tossed down the drain. I really think the east is heading to fleet min, and say goodbye to the 190s. There are enough 190 pilots to cover what 2 years of attrition that does not start for another 15 months. And that scenario is if the east takes the TRO seriously and stops the bullshit.

If usapa puts up a fight here, it is over. Merger complete. TA nullified by court order, and the east is gone.
 
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