US Pilots Labor Discussion

[crazystnic]

Since it was brought up. Mrbreese did not lose 1800 positions but some east pilots did. Those furloughed. If anyone watched the state of the airline video there was an original member of the AFO club there to tell Parker how bad it was. This poor guy had trouble putting together a single coherent thought. Greg Harrington! Compare his seniority Nicolau v DOH.

Little Greggy was furloughed at the time of the merger. 1000 numbers deep making his seniority 131.9%. Stand alone how long would it have been before Mr. “its bad Mr. Parker” would have been called back? 5 years? Stand alone he would have to have been called back first but he was 2100 numbers from the junior captain. On the Nicolau list Greggy is 5765 with 1000 east furloughed pilots and 1800 west pilots senior to him.

On a DOH list this original AFO had 6.0 DOH but only 2.6 years on the property. He wants credit for the time he bagged groceries or sold used cars. Mr. integrity wants to jump over 660 west pilot to better himself even though he was furloughed at the time going from 2100 away from the junior captain to being within 100 number of the junior west captain.

Someone please try and justify giving someone 3.4 years of credit when they were off the property. How does going from 1000 furloughs to within 100 numbers of upgrade maintain his pre-merger career expectations? How is that not a huge windfall for that east pilot at the expense of west pilots?

Explain!

No reason to explain .. you have your continued diatribe about the NIC.... This thing will go the legal distance, so why don't you just stop trying to convince people.
It's a lost cause sorry.

 

[NoYellowNeck]

Not only angry but a idiot.....I've got him on ignore so the only reason I saw what he wrote was in your quote.

That's BS Harry.

You love me. You need me.

You don't have me on ignore.

Stop lying.

 

[NoYellowNeck]

No reason to explain .. you have your continued diatribe about the NIC.... This thing will go the legal distance, so why don't you just stop trying to convince people.
It's a lost cause sorry.

And you guys quit begging for compromise.

That's even more a lost cause.

 

[NoYellowNeck]

Little angry are we?

No, not at all.

Why?

 

[cactusboy53]

One more time proving beyond a shadow of a doubt why AWA was the ONLY place that would hire these lowlifes. Getting hired by the scumbag outfit AWA is all they ever achieved on their own, and now they are trying to steal other pilot's jobs.

Actually not very surprising considering who they are and where they come from. Sad, but not very surprising at all...

Boeing Driver

Oh, and by the way lowlife - THERE WILL BE COMPROMISE ON THE NIC, OR THERE WILL BE NO JOINT LIST EVER. See I can shout too. Have a nice day.

I see your point.....so if that is true, why is it that Mut, Sum/Nos, and Claxon don't work for AWA? They seem to be at least "low-lifeish" as anyone of us westies.

Sorry Driver, but once again....there is no party, person, committee, sub-committee, rice committee, blue ribbon committee, Star Fleet Command, Faber Fraternal Counsel, or Wye River Wish List Committee (are you getting the picture?) that has the legal right, authority or inclination to "fix" a standing binding arbitration.

Any person, "union" or company that does attempt to do this will make this case "most assuredly ripe", and make that person /entity a target for legal action. That is it. There is no middle ground, because the Nicolau Award is the middle ground.

Parker needs this done (sometime). What he may eventually figure out is that the only thing that will complete the merger is enough money for someone to say "Yep. That's enough money for me."

Then you will hear these guys claim in the flight deck...."Well I was mad when it passed. I voted NO!".

 

[mikey60]

Yes!. Even the east number cruncher said that the most any east pilot loses is 2 years. That is what the east guy said. Parker at the last crew news said that we are at least 2.5 years from settling seniority in courts. Attrition is 1.5 years away. A new contract as of now is many years away.

So yes 200 east pilots are the difference that we are fighting over. Way to go east pilot, you guys keep fighting denying the Nicolau. My guess when this all ends and Nicolau is the list you will not be able to find anyone that voted for usapa or ever wore a yellow lanyard. I think we should start taking pictures in the terminal of yellowneckers. That way they cannot deny they were supporters of Cleary.

Put me first in line..... by the way that 200 was years ago now everyone in the east understands how bad they will get screwed with the nic that number might be 2000 now. Also I bet your a real #### in person.

 

[Barrister]

The MDA thing is a big thing. They were mainline. Same operating certificate, FOM, paycheck number, chief pilot, jumpsea IVR and members on the ALPA LEC.

So instead of "career expectations", let's tallk the actual future. With the closing of LAS, the west is flying a net of 20% East flying. So with out the merger, 20% of the West would be furloughed. in reality, I didn't take your job. You aquired 20% of my seniority.

Have a nice evening.

Joe

Someone told me that the AmWest offer at arb. put the bottom 900 ACTIVE U pilots on the bottom......
....is that a fact???????????

NICDOA
NPJB

 

[mikey60]

Since it was brought up. Mrbreese did not lose 1800 positions but some east pilots did. Those furloughed. If anyone watched the state of the airline video there was an original member of the AFO club there to tell Parker how bad it was. This poor guy had trouble putting together a single coherent thought. Greg Harrington! Compare his seniority Nicolau v DOH.

Little Greggy was furloughed at the time of the merger. 1000 numbers deep making his seniority 131.9%. Stand alone how long would it have been before Mr. “its bad Mr. Parker” would have been called back? 5 years? Stand alone he would have to have been called back first but he was 2100 numbers from the junior captain. On the Nicolau list Greggy is 5765 with 1000 east furloughed pilots and 1800 west pilots senior to him.

On a DOH list this original AFO had 6.0 DOH but only 2.6 years on the property. He wants credit for the time he bagged groceries or sold used cars. Mr. integrity wants to jump over 660 west pilot to better himself even though he was furloughed at the time going from 2100 away from the junior captain to being within 100 number of the junior west captain.

Someone please try and justify giving someone 3.4 years of credit when they were off the property. How does going from 1000 furloughs to within 100 numbers of upgrade maintain his pre-merger career expectations? How is that not a huge windfall for that east pilot at the expense of west pilots?

Explain!

Its simple....he was hired first, thus he is senior....its that simple so you can rant ,rave, scream , cry, complain on this forum, whatever but its not going to change. WE WILL ONLY ACCEPT DOH.

 

[Res Judicata]

Its simple....he was hired first, thus he is senior....its that simple so you can rant ,rave, scream , cry, complain on this forum, whatever but its not going to change. WE WILL ONLY ACCEPT DOH.

No. You're simply choosing an LOA 93 retirement. You are in the extreme minority. Remember that democracy rules when nic hits you up side the head.

 

[NoYellowNeck]

Its simple....he was hired first, thus he is senior....its that simple so you can rant ,rave, scream , cry, complain on this forum, whatever but its not going to change. WE WILL ONLY ACCEPT DOH.

Well then, you're the only east guy here that's pure DOH. That means you lack common sense and are ignorant

DOH is dead. There is no arguing that. The crying now is for compromise and not DOH.

You guys have done a fine job accepting the death of DOH and I'm sure your hope for compromise will eventually fade as well.

In the mean time enjoy LOA 93.

 

[NoYellowNeck]

Someone told me that the AmWest offer at arb. put the bottom 900 ACTIVE U pilots on the bottom......
....is that a fact???????????

NICDOA
NPJB

You need to quit listening to your mom.

 

[NoYellowNeck]

The MDA thing is a big thing. They were mainline. Same operating certificate, FOM, paycheck number, chief pilot, jumpsea IVR and members on the ALPA LEC.

So instead of "career expectations", let's tallk the actual future. With the closing of LAS, the west is flying a net of 20% East flying. So with out the merger, 20% of the West would be furloughed. in reality, I didn't take your job. You aquired 20% of my seniority.

Have a nice evening.

Joe

The only fight more pathetic than USAPA's is the MDA pilots. And you damn MDA cheerleaders are so g-damn ignorant to the facts of this case that I have no choice but to laugh.

None of that #### you mentioned matters. Every mainline pilot that went to MDA was furloughed. Period. Trying to change history is pointless so give it a rest.

The MDA pilots now are hanging on for their legal life. Their case hasn't had any activity in months. They're dead in the water. In fact, they're suing for money only now. So, basically, they've lost.

As for career expectations, you guys were about to liquidate. So you're lucky to have a job. In reality you shouldn't be working.

Have a nice evening fuzz-nuts.

 

[cleardirect]

Its simple....he was hired first, thus he is senior....its that simple so you can rant ,rave, scream , cry, complain on this forum, whatever but its not going to change. WE WILL ONLY ACCEPT DOH.

If only the world worked that way.

You think that explains and justifies everything. He was hired and furloughed so is all that matters. The 3.5 years that he did not fly for US Airways just ignore that? The fact that he was furloughed, ignore that?

You are right about one thing. Pointing out facts to you bone heads will not change anything. Arbitration is done and it will be used. You can ride that sled of DOH to the bottom of the scrape heap for as long as you want. The west is good with separate ops and the contract we have. Can you say the same thing?

Only accept DOH and retire on LOA 93, enjoy. I was only correcting the record that mrbreeze acknowledged I was right. And pointing out the hypocrisy of the east pilots trying to steal seniority and the difference between the damage to an east and west pilot using DOH v. Nicolau.

Accept what you want but know that someday you will live with the Nicolau award. You can accept it or leave to find another job. But hey keep wearing the yellow lanyard big boy. I dare you.

 

[Code Name V]

Well then, you're the only east guy here that's pure DOH. That means you lack common sense and are ignorant

DOH is dead. There is no arguing that. The crying now is for compromise and not DOH.

You guys have done a fine job accepting the death of DOH and I'm sure your hope for compromise will eventually fade as well.

In the mean time enjoy LOA 93.

Actually DOH is quite alive. It is alive on the East and working quite well. It is also alive and well on the West. It is alive with virtually every other airline and many many non airline companies worldwide. It seems that the only place it is not alive is on this board?

V

 

[prechilill]

Actually DOH is quite alive. It is alive on the East and working quite well.

Tell that to the empire pilots you putz