US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Move2CLT]

I don't need to know 330 systems and that's a ridiculous argument. Having her testify was stupid and her willingness to testify was even dumber. The fact that her written statement and her actual testimony differ should tell you there is a red flag. She's very lucky the company resisted the urge to crucify her and expose her shortcomings in systems knowledge.

And the big thing here is the lack of relevance having her testify. She wasn't removed from the airport for refusing the aircraft, but for her antics after she got off the aircraft. Very unprofessional. Having her testify has nothing to do with the work action and I suspect the judge will see it that way as well. This is USAPA's attempt to distract from the actual reason for filing the request for injunction. Its the same crap they pulled trying to out Sully on the stand only to make a fool out of him.

As for why the entire flight deck walked off, please. That's ridiculous to even point that out. We all know how that works. I'll give you a second chance and ignore that.

Valerie's testimony was a waste of time. Company could have turned that into a S19 hearing that would have been entered into record and used it against her to fire her.

Utter stupidity playing that card.

 

[Move2CLT]

Even if it is a mistake, no employee should be subjected to this. It should not be tolerated.

There is an extremely bad atmosphere developing here, and there is a clear case to be made the company is taunting the East pilots with the appointment of former ALPA pilots to management in a clear campaign of stirring the pot. The judge needs to know Glass was brought back to sour relations, and the fact other "specialists" have been hired to create an atmosphere that is not healthy. I have a strong suspicion this is going to go news "viral" and the company better be careful of what they push into the flight deck. If I were running USAPA, I would make absolutely certain the NATIONAL media is aware of what Valerie Wells has been subjected to. Right or wrong call, it is totally unacceptable to do what they did.

Why do you guys fail to mention the PA rants Valerie made? NEVER in my career have I seen this kind of stunt go down. NEVER. I wish I could fire her personally myself. What should not be tolerated is her kind of behavior. Refuse the aircraft and leave. Done. Pretty easy to me.

And as for atmosphere, you don't think Cleary had anything to do with it? His attempt to manufacture leverage? Glass was brought back because he knows how to play the east pilots and you know this. You'd do the same if the situation was reversed.

The problem here is that USAPA is fighting a two-front battle. They're attempting to take on the company with 90's era work actions and, at the same time, fight off the west. You can't do that and expect to be successful. Imagine if the west had been on board? You guys blew your wad to soon and under strength. You now are not going to get a second chance.

You've painted yourselves into a corner and both the west and the company are just shaking our heads. We'd both be laughing but its been so embarrassing to watch this debacle unfold that we actually feel sorry for you guys.

 

[Move2CLT]

Tell us about your A330 type ride and oral systems exam?

In fact, see if you can get Lyle Hogg to tell us about his A330 experience. He's the one putting out the ludicrous information about Capt. Wells' situation.

Does the fact that five other pilots, all with real A330 type ratings and beaucoup experience, agreed with Capt. Wells' evaluation of the situation? Of course not. You need to depend on your total ignorance of the A330, as well as Lyle Hogg's, to make up your accusations out of thin air.

Did I mention that the second captain to refuse that aircraft that night is a former ALPA MEC chair, and is anti-USAPA? Figure that one out you moron.

Unlike some posters here, I have resources that go beyond Hogg and I don't need a 330 type to understand the Bus.

As for the second Captain refusing, who knew what his reasoning was. Maybe he saw it as an opportunity to go home. Maybe go back to his second, highly successful business that most of you east guys seem to have. Maybe he didn't want to pull the rug out from under Valerie for whatever reason. Too many what ifs there. So that fact is pointless.

And I have a bit more knowledge on the 330 than you think. No type, but I know enough. Go ahead, ask me a question. <_<

 

[SparrowHawk]

Instead of all of this back and forth I'd strongly suggest you view this video and the others of Mr Leavitt and realize exactly who your enemy is. Jerry Glass and others are back on the property NOT to win injunctions or negotiate a contract. They are there to bust USAPA by any means necessary. This isn't about a fair contract, this about breaking USAPA then while all of the craziness surrounding the collapse of USAPA, they will seek to further divide you to the point where you will be the only major pilot group that are "At Will" employees.





After you view the above, check this one out. I've posted it before but ask yourself "How far have we really advanced from the coalfields of WV"? Judging from what's happening here, not very far

 

[Pi brat]

Why do you guys fail to mention the PA rants Valerie made?

My self-imposed vacation from this cesspool was nice. I bet my blood pressure dropped 10 points. Then I made a mistake. I returned to see if I could find some information on Friday's hearing. While looking, I saw a bunch of posts by someone going by "Move2CLT". Very interesting to say the least. I have some comments for you move, but first some questions, and in the name of integrity, be honest.

-Are you a former AWA pilot?
-Are you a F/O?
-Do you hold a position with AOL and/or it's legal team?
-Is Move2CLT your first US Av screen name?
-And last, not certainly not least, were you on board Captain Well's aircraft and actually hear, with you own two ears, the PA that you claim resulted in her removal by security?

Thanks in advance.

 

[Move2CLT]

My self-imposed vacation from this cesspool was nice. I bet my blood pressure dropped 10 points. Then I made a mistake. I returned to see if I could find some information on Friday's hearing. While looking, I saw a bunch of posts by someone going by "Move2CLT". Very interesting to say the least. I have some comments for you move, but first some questions, and in the name of integrity, be honest.

-Are you a former AWA pilot?
-Are you a F/O?
-Do you hold a position with AOL and/or it's legal team?
-Is Move2CLT your first US Av screen name?
-And last, not certainly not least, were you on board Captain Well's aircraft and actually hear, with you own two ears, the PA that you claim resulted in her removal by security?

Thanks in advance.

- Current
- No
- Voluntary in AOL. Mainly grunt stuff.
- No. But I was absent from this board for so long I forgot my original screen name.
- No. Nobody on this board was.

 

[Pi brat]

- Current
- No
- Voluntary in AOL. Mainly grunt stuff.
- No. But I was absent from this board for so long I forgot my original screen name.
- No. Nobody on this board was.

Ok, thanks for the answers. Not sure how you could be a current AWA pilot as AWA is not flying any airplanes, but anyway..........

So, you weren't there. You do not know what Captain Wells said for sure, you are taking someone's word for it, no doubt someone that is absolutely opposed to USAPA. So, what does that tell us? That you are 100%, absolutely, no doubt a TOOL and a blight on our profession to publicly run your mouth about one of our pilots and something that you do not really know about.

Good Day.

 

[Phoenix]

Unlike some posters here, I have resources that go beyond Hogg and I don't need a 330 type to understand the Bus.
...

Chip, is that you.

Great idea, pretending to be a West pilot in order to expand your posting opportunity!

 

[A320 Driver]

Instead of all of this back and forth I'd strongly suggest you view this video and the others of Mr Leavitt and realize exactly who your enemy is. Jerry Glass and others are back on the property NOT to win injunctions or negotiate a contract. They are there to bust USAPA by any means necessary. This isn't about a fair contract, this about breaking USAPA then while all of the craziness surrounding the collapse of USAPA, they will seek to further divide you to the point where you will be the only major pilot group that are "At Will" employees.





After you view the above, check this one out. I've posted it before but ask yourself "How far have we really advanced from the coalfields of WV"? Judging from what's happening here, not very far

Thank you SparrowHawk for putting this in perspective. I have no doubt that there are company personel on this board at this very minute attempting to divide and conquer... and it is working to a large degree. I was engaged with one yesterday on this board. I am sure of it, and his sole purpose was to build an anger in me against West pilots. I disengaged and he kept coming. The best thing we can do is drop back and take a hard look at some of these posts and ask ourselves, "what is the point?". Look at the ones that invoke a negative response. This is not all seniority listed pilots debating different interests. As pilots we have more in common than we disagree on. When a company is so successful poisoning one group against the other then there are bigger things at work that threaten us all.
That is not to say there aren't some angry pilots here, but my point is I believe there are those that are here to diliberately make us angry. A debate doesn't have to disentegrate into anger and name calling. I almost fell into that trap yesterday. Just think about it.

Driver <_<

 

[Move2CLT]

Ok, thanks for the answers. Not sure how you could be a current AWA pilot as AWA is not flying any airplanes, but anyway..........

So, you weren't there. You do not know what Captain Wells said for sure, you are taking someone's word for it, no doubt someone that is absolutely opposed to USAPA. So, what does that tell us? That you are 100%, absolutely, no doubt a TOOL and a blight on our profession to publicly run your mouth about one of our pilots and something that you do not really know about.

Good Day.

I assumed by AWA you meant west. I don't recognize your name and I don't know your level of knowledge. With that first sentence, I'll move you up a few notches. And if you want to nitpick, I can do that too.

My views, in general, are opposite USAPA's - its just the way it is. Take the president's message that just came out - the tweets I got compared to what he put out make me wonder if he showed up to the same hearing.

And that's a nice way to start with the name calling. I stand by my statement with any name calling directed back at you. I'm going to put a bit of effort in and check as to why you actually took your self-imposed hiatus. Or do you want to save my the effort by telling me.

 

[A320 Driver]

Ok, thanks for the answers. Not sure how you could be a current AWA pilot as AWA is not flying any airplanes, but anyway..........

So, you weren't there. You do not know what Captain Wells said for sure, you are taking someone's word for it, no doubt someone that is absolutely opposed to USAPA. So, what does that tell us? That you are 100%, absolutely, no doubt a TOOL and a blight on our profession to publicly run your mouth about one of our pilots and something that you do not really know about.

Good Day.

Hey Brat, you've got mail...

Driver

 

[Move2CLT]

Thank you SparrowHawk for putting this in perspective. I have no doubt that there are company personel on this board at this very minute attempting to divide and conquer... and it is working to a large degree. I was engaged with one yesterday on this board. I am sure of it, and his sole purpose was to build an anger in me against West pilots. I disengaged and he kept coming. The best thing we can do is drop back and take a hard look at some of these posts and ask ourselves, "what is the point?". Look at the ones that invoke a negative response. This is not all seniority listed pilots debating different interests. As pilots we have more in common than we disagree on. When a company is so successful poisoning one group against the other then there are bigger things at work that threaten us all.
That is not to say there aren't some angry pilots here, but my point is I believe there are those that are here to diliberately make us angry. A debate doesn't have to disentegrate into anger and name calling. I almost fell into that trap yesterday. Just think about it.

Driver <_<

Its thoroughly enjoyable watching you guys scramble for excuses when your paradigms are being shifted. Challenging your uncontested, USAPA-fed ideas obviously angers many of you to the point where you start assuming I'm management, CM, Glass, or whomever else you can project the shortcomings of you logic onto.

I'm not management, I'm not Glass or Chip, or your new PHL ACP. I'm just a west pilot who can challenge your position with reasoning and facts. Apparently, a bit too effectively.

 

[luvthe9]

I'm not management, I'm not Glass or Chip, or your new PHL ACP. I'm just a west pilot who can challenge your position with reasoning and facts. Apparently, a bit too effectively.

Challenge all you want skippy, the only fact that you need to know is YOU will never see the NIC in your lifetime, best get over it and save your money.

 

[Move2CLT]

Speaking of having to save one's money...

Almost no pension and on LOA 93 and you're telling us to save? Focus inward please Skippy.

 

[aquagreen73s]

My views, in general, are opposite USAPA's - its just the way it is. Take the president's message that just came out - the tweets I got compared to what he put out make me wonder if he showed up to the same hearing.

The company's filing late Friday afternoon says a lot. Doc 65 says:

"Full docket text for document 65:
Witness List (Sealed - Participants) by US Airways, Inc.(Marcus, Robert)"

This is after USAPA cross examined Lyle Hogg with a line of questions suggesting that the company had generated electronic messages which are being used to incriminate USAPA. In trial advocacy 101, this is called "opening the door" and it's exactly what USAPA just did for Siegel. They've opened the door for the company to now rebut USAPA with testimony explaining where the evidence came from. Someone is going to come in on Monday and tell all. The identity of this person or persons had to be sealed because obviously their testimony(ies) is/are going to end USAPA as we know it. Forget stats, this is going to be huge.