US Pilots Labor Discussion

[cactusboy53]

The time off on administrative leave for stealing corporate identity info from the East Pilots?

Where is the money coming from for the equipment?

Well smart guy, neither of the two people you mentioned is off on what is referred to as "restricted duty". Now let's not forget that RD in this case means PAID LEAVE. Nice work (so to speak) if you can get it....Hey, maybe it's not to late to implicate me in "Address-Gate"......... 😀 ......."I've have no recollection of that incident, your Honor." 😀

The money for the equipment must be coming from ALPA, right? After all they are funding everything else, right?

3,...2,.....1,......BLASTOFF! 😛

 

[cleardirect]

Eastern division pilots will wait for the inevitable decision that Niclau is dead. Then they will roll into a contract vote which will pass without the dissenting western vote. Your choice.

What kind of time frame do you consider "roll into a contract vote" 2015-2016?

You guys do understand that 2015-2016-2017 is the soonest you are going to see any contract improvement right. Retire under LOA 93 I don't care. Keep waiting.

 

[Move2CLT]

What kind of time frame do you consider "roll into a contract vote" 2015-2016?

You guys do understand that 2015-2016-2017 is the soonest you are going to see any contract improvement right. Retire under LOA 93 I don't care. Keep waiting.

It's cool. They don't mind being on LOA93. They don't need this place because they have highly successful side businesses. :blink: :blink:

 

[Pi brat]

Ok, then start by removing the DOH integration mandate from your C&BLs.

Fine by me, I don't think it should have ever been in there to start with.

 

[Move2CLT]

Fine by me, I don't think it should have ever been in there to start with.

Then I hope to hear your resolution requesting it's removal at your next meeting.

 

[Al Legheny]

Then I hope to hear your resolution requesting it's removal at your next meeting.

It looks like one of those charlotte guys in the Vice Chair runn-off has his own website.

http://electjohnowens.com/

 

[Move2CLT]

I love these CLT guys. You truly couldn't find a more moronic trio if you tried.

"Make no mistake; LOA 93, if won, will be a game changer and will make the 15[SUP]th[/SUP] and 30[SUP]th[/SUP] easier to live with (for some of us)..."

Fist off, its good to see some realism in the above sentence with the word "if.". Unfortunately, fantasy soon ensures. If they think that their paychecks will magically grow overnight then they're idiots. The remedy portion of the arbitration is going to take a couples of years at the very least. And who is to say the company has to follow binding arbitration. I think there is precedence on that, right?

"Even if we win we must intensify our efforts to negotiate to a complete joint contract to return all our pilots to the industry standards we all deserve."

Intensify how? Are you not intense now. What will be difference. What if an injunction is in place? Will that have an impact on intensity?

"If we win, it almost certainly would cause the Company to start bargaining in good faith towards an industry standard contract for all US Airways pilots."

If you win, nothing changes. Your paychecks stay the same and there are no snapbacks. The remedy phase drags out for a few years and you flounder under an injunction. In the mean time, the company shifts flying west.

"If we lose, the pilot group will become increasingly frustrated by the Company's lack of good faith at the bargaining table, which should move things along."

This is a completely asinine statement. How will frustration move things along? Are they insinuating a more intense work action? Or do they think Doug will sense the east's frustration and cave? Absolutely dumb. But it's great for the company as I'm sure it will be included in the pile of evidence the company already has.

Please Pi tell me that you see this BS for what it is. If you don't, I may lose all the respect I have for you and no longer see you as my equal on this board. You'll be nothing more than a Claxon/MM/aPollo/Bluto to me.

 

[lynyrdskynyrd]

It looks like one of those charlotte guys in the Vice Chair runn-off has his own website.

http://electjohnowens.com/

I see a level headed, intelligent, independent thinker. His grasp on the negotiations process is grounded in reality, and far superior to the current usapa pie in the sky, which is based more on deciding what one wants and trying to 'will it.' I think he could be beneficilal for everyone, I hope he gets serious consideration.

 

[Move2CLT]

It looks like one of those charlotte guys in the Vice Chair runn-off has his own website.

http://electjohnowens.com/

Same crap, different dude.

 

[fodase]

It looks like one of those charlotte guys in the Vice Chair runn-off has his own website.

http://electjohnowens.com/

I love how he assumes DOH is a sure thing, and that the DJ has no merit. He conveniently ignores the fact the west will fight usapa at every turn over doh. Same douche as the rest of them.

 

[lynyrdskynyrd]

Same crap, different dude.

As far as doh, yeah it's the same. But at this point, expecting anything different from anyone back east is not grounded in reality, it's to be expected. No harm no foul. Outside of that though, I see alot of difference between him and some of the folks in office now.

There is still a looooooong process to go through for all of us.

 

[CallawayGolf]

I see a level headed, intelligent, independent thinker. His grasp on the negotiations process is grounded in reality, and far superior to the current usapa pie in the sky, which is based more on deciding what one wants and trying to 'will it.' I think he could be beneficilal for everyone, I hope he gets serious consideration.

How can he seriously expect to get off the road to nowhere while still advocating for DOH? It's the same road and the same destination. The company filed the DJ to move the process towards a resolution on the single issue that has plagued this process since May of 2005, not to prolong the status quo. USAPA is the cause of the delay and until they come to grips on section 22 and the NIC, the road to nowhere is all anyone should expect. Nothing new here.

 

[prechilill]

I see a level headed, intelligent, independent thinker. His grasp on the negotiations process is grounded in reality, and far superior to the current usapa pie in the sky, which is based more on deciding what one wants and trying to 'will it.' I think he could be beneficilal for everyone, I hope he gets serious consideration.

He's a DOH monkey, nothing new. The guy is an idiot and probably just wants to be on FPL instead of going to work for Mesa wages.

 

[Pi brat]

He conveniently ignores the fact the west will fight usapa at every turn over doh.

I don't know of a single eastie that doesn't believe that the westies will fight DOH until the end. I'm guessing that you "KNOW" that you will win that fight, is that right? Well, I talked to an east friend yesterday that "KNOWS" the east will win. So when the day comes that the last appeal is exhausted, and IF the west loses and it is legal for USAPA to replace section 22, what will you do?

 

[lynyrdskynyrd]

How can he seriously expect to get off the road to nowhere while still advocating for DOH? It's the same road and the same destination. The company filed the DJ to move the process towards a resolution on the single issue that has plagued this process since May of 2005, not to prolong the status quo. USAPA is the cause of the delay and until they come to grips on section 22 and the NIC, the road to nowhere is all anyone should expect. Nothing new here.

Baby steps I suppose. At any rate, do any westies seriously believe that the get off doh is going to happen in the immediate future? Or even any time soon? Or even at all absent a gavel dropping? If they did, great, but it just doesn't appear to be happening yet. At least with this guy, I see a level headed thought process.