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O.K........................ I give up. what is a "pickleballer".


If you google USAPA you'll find the Pickleball Association. Its a sport that is not widely know but its a great game and some folks up in the Northwest have courts in their back yards. I have not seen it played anywhere else but I imagine there is a following in other states but I haven't bothered to look it up.
 
You boys had better learn to take better care of your equipment. You keep breaking your toys you will not have anything to play with. We have the same MX yet I only see about 1 MEL every 5-6-7 airplanes. I have yet to have an MEL'd APU in the last 8-10 months. Maybe it is you guys just don't know what you are doing. You have not been flying the airbus as long the west. With a little more experience you east guys might get it some day.


"Breaking our toys". I've been on a West airplane when the crew wrote up a loose screw in the overhead baggage compartment. Uh?? your toy wasn't broken. When you guys were doing SFO/PHL, I couldn't rely on your flight going out on time or even going at all. There was always something about 90% of the time.
 
Good idea, one light bulb for each MEL!! I am on it.


that would not surprise anyone, it was stated that many people here, the intent of all this is to close down the airline, (most have differrent business's or jobs.) just seems odd is all that many here, their mission in life is to close down an airline, to betray those that had the audacity to save them. Just plane weird to try to put over 30,000 peole out of work so those people have to start over from scratch, but that is your perogative you pickleballer. have a great life, enjoy
 
Here's a proposal for all of you.

It's 1:21EDT give or take a minute. Could we, in honor of those who perished 10 years ago today be civil to one another until say Midnight? Or am I asking to much?
 
Here's a proposal for all of you.

It's 1:21EDT give or take a minute. Could we, in honor of those who perished 10 years ago today be civil to one another until say Midnight? Or am I asking to much?


I'm with the Hawk on this one. It could have been any of us working a flight that was targeted by those....people. Reflect on that and then consider how insignificant all of our bickering really is. Let's all raise a glass to those who's lives were cut horribly short and consider what sort of legacy each of us would like to leave behind to be remembered by.

Cheers, to all of you East, West, and otherwise.
 
that would not surprise anyone, it was stated that many people here, the intent of all this is to close down the airline, (most have differrent business's or jobs.) just seems odd is all that many here, their mission in life is to close down an airline, to betray those that had the audacity to save them. Just plane weird to try to put over 30,000 peole out of work so those people have to start over from scratch, but that is your perogative you pickleballer. have a great life, enjoy
Unless the airline procrastinates fixing write ups, even little ones, there is no danger that too many write ups will close down an airline. As you apparently don't know, there are two gates to every write up. The first is from the pilot themselves. The second is from the mechanic. To implicate improprieties of one is to implicate the other after all, if the mechanic doesn't think the write up merits action, all they have to do is to sign it off, right?

Are you suggesting that by not making write ups, operations is "saving the airline"? From what? The fact that the aircraft are then flown in a marginally safe manner? Are you suggesting the pilots help sweep safety problems under the corporate carpet, a carpet that traditionally, from what I have seen at A&W, never protects the pilot? Should pilots pass notes about "problems" from crew to crew? Or, as in the case last June you applaud the escorting of a crew off the property so that they "will not pollute the minds of the oncoming crew"?

If the "union pilots" had really wanted to make a point, they would have included all the details in the USA Today ad.

As a positive point, it is finally nice to be able to do a walk-around without having to have maintenance out to refasten, not just one, but, in some cases, multiple fasteners, as well as panels. It is nice to finally see a mechanically sound, from the outside, aircraft.
 
I can think of several things that a worse than being called a "pickleballer". This is a game like tennis only with softer paddles and a less active ball and smaller court. How about being called a former America West pilot now thats a real slap to the face....Especially if you a former America West pilot now living in a tin shack in the desert, eating 3 a day at Micky-D'S and working at Wallmart afternoon shift now thats a "Prickleballer". This of course is no reflection to anyone that posts on this forum
 
USAPA President's Message: September 12, 2011

For some time now, US Airways has been escalating the rhetoric of its theory that USAPA's safety concerns are nothing more than a negotiating tactic. USAPA's Safety initiatives are multi-faceted, balanced between managing day-to-day safety concerns and larger projects, such as the Safety Culture Survey, which was born from a deep concern that Management was pushing this group far too hard and creating a culture that is unquestionably unhealthy.

US Airways is rapidly degenerating into an organization intent on moving airplanes no matter what stands in their way, even if it's a well-trained flight crew exercising impeccable judgment. What happens when flight crews need responsible guidance from Flight Operations? The Chief Pilots Office is where that guidance and good judgment should come from. But in far too many instances, US Airways' Chief Pilots are behaving like a disciplinary arm of Management. They are apparently far too focused on the premium pay for their positions, rather than proper attention to safety or legality.

As a glaring example, US Airways was very recently found guilty through enforcement action by the FAA of operating without Extended-range Twin-engine Operational Performance Standards (ETOPS) authority and service checks from Larnaca, Cyprus (LCLK) to Philadelphia on May 6, 7 & 8thof this year. Fuel contamination in Tel Aviv necessitated a fuel stop in Cyprus, prior to the westbound ETOPS Atlantic crossing. The first crew to face this situation was pressured by the PHL Chief Pilot to operate the flight under an interpretation of the rules that most favored economics; the norm here at the "new" US Airways. What is surprising and very disappointing, to say the least, is that the Philadelphia International Chief Pilot's Office issued the following statement to the crew:
"Per US Airways' FAR and maintenance experts, paragraph (3) (a) ETOPS Status Revalidation of chapter 55-03 of the MPP is interpreted by the FAA to permit a flight to depart an airport after being ETOPS certified by maintenance, and land at a refueling airport prior to the ETOPS portion of the scheduled flight. The flight is then authorized to depart the refueling airport using the procedures outlined in this paragraph as long as the situation is beyond the control of the carrier and an unexpected situation. FAA POI has been advised and has concurred with this statement. Signed; Yarko Stawnychy"
The last sentence is seriously problematic and here's why - it's a lie. Our POI never concurred with Stawnychy's statement - then or now. There is proof that US Airways knew of the necessity for the Larnaca fuel stop before the aircraft left PHL for TLV on May 6th and thereafter. At no time did the POI ever authorize these known fuel stops to take place absent an ETOPS check in Larnaca, therefore the violation. It is USAPA's opinion that an organization operating with this level of reckless abandon for the truth is unquestionably suffering at a safety culture deficit. What will it take for US Airways management to finally be introspective and admit that they are over-cooking the completion factor/on-time bonus scheme and thereby placing undue pressure on the Safety Culture at this airline?

The FAA has completed its investigation of this series of flights and is proceeding with enforcement action against our airline. This reality should bring each and every one of us a moment of pause. We should take stock of the fact that twelve crew members placed their trust in Chief Pilots and were let down and were exposed to potential certificate action. Management compromised the safety of our passengers and crew by knowingly flying without ETOPS service checks. The pilots were lied to by their supervisor and were placed in harm's way, and along with our passengers, were along for the ride. According to our research, every other airline found a way to conduct operations from Tel Aviv without violating ETOPS requirements; only US Airways pretended the fuel contamination was an "unexpected" situation for several days.
Aviation is a serious business. This reality seems hopelessly lost on Management whose inclination to politicize everything and litigate their way toward an endless delay at the negotiating table has overpowered their sense of responsibility to maintain a safe operation. Management appears to have the same response for every operational consideration brought to light by USAPA: Job Action. And their misguided and insulting opinion of your organization's role and the expertise of your Safety Committee is filtering down to the Chief Pilots who are now in the business of judging your taxi speed with third party data (of dubious accuracy) and second-guessing your need for crew oxygen quantities. Because of their documented unwillingness to engage the US Airways pilots on serious issues, we can only hope that a non-fatal event will awaken this management "team" to the reality that their continued disrespect for safety and myopic focus on money will eventually be paid for with blood.

In the face of this deplorable example as well as countless others, it should be clear that neither USAPA pilots, nor any US Airways employee has the luxury of trusting Management to make responsible decisions. We must remain ever vigilant and realize that when faced with unusual operational circumstances, we must side-step Management to acquire legitimate answers that won't put us, our passengers or the airline itself in harm's way. Should you have any doubts about the way US Airways wants you to operate an aircraft, we recommend you first obtain a hard copy of the guidance being offered by the Chief Pilot. Next, call the USAPA Safety Committee or call the FAA Certificate Management Office at 412-262-9034 to speak with Mark Mulkey, ext 272, Joe Zylwitis, ext. 247, Charlie Ruggiero, ext. 239 or Darrell Miller, ext. 284. You can also call the FAA Aviation Safety Hotline at 1 800 255 1111 to report suspected violations.

We have no estimate of the financial penalty that US Airways is now facing for operating these three flights without ETOPS authority. For now, the next time a Chief Pilot assures you he's checked with the FAA or offers you any other such assurance, I urge you to either call your USAPA Safety Committee, exercise your own judgment, or find other resources.

Sincerely,

Captain Mike Cleary
President
 
USAPA President's Message: September 12, 2011

For some time now, US Airways has been escalating the rhetoric of its theory that USAPA's safety concerns are nothing more than a negotiating tactic. USAPA's Safety initiatives are multi-faceted, balanced between managing day-to-day safety concerns and larger projects, such as the Safety Culture Survey, which was born from a deep concern that Management was pushing this group far too hard and creating a culture that is unquestionably unhealthy.

US Airways is rapidly degenerating into an organization intent on moving airplanes no matter what stands in their way, even if it's a well-trained flight crew exercising impeccable judgment. What happens when flight crews need responsible guidance from Flight Operations? The Chief Pilots Office is where that guidance and good judgment should come from. But in far too many instances, US Airways' Chief Pilots are behaving like a disciplinary arm of Management. They are apparently far too focused on the premium pay for their positions, rather than proper attention to safety or legality.

As a glaring example, US Airways was very recently found guilty through enforcement action by the FAA of operating without Extended-range Twin-engine Operational Performance Standards (ETOPS) authority and service checks from Larnaca, Cyprus (LCLK) to Philadelphia on May 6, 7 & 8thof this year. Fuel contamination in Tel Aviv necessitated a fuel stop in Cyprus, prior to the westbound ETOPS Atlantic crossing. The first crew to face this situation was pressured by the PHL Chief Pilot to operate the flight under an interpretation of the rules that most favored economics; the norm here at the "new" US Airways. What is surprising and very disappointing, to say the least, is that the Philadelphia International Chief Pilot's Office issued the following statement to the crew:
"Per US Airways' FAR and maintenance experts, paragraph (3) (a) ETOPS Status Revalidation of chapter 55-03 of the MPP is interpreted by the FAA to permit a flight to depart an airport after being ETOPS certified by maintenance, and land at a refueling airport prior to the ETOPS portion of the scheduled flight. The flight is then authorized to depart the refueling airport using the procedures outlined in this paragraph as long as the situation is beyond the control of the carrier and an unexpected situation. FAA POI has been advised and has concurred with this statement. Signed; Yarko Stawnychy"
The last sentence is seriously problematic and here's why - it's a lie. Our POI never concurred with Stawnychy's statement - then or now. There is proof that US Airways knew of the necessity for the Larnaca fuel stop before the aircraft left PHL for TLV on May 6th and thereafter. At no time did the POI ever authorize these known fuel stops to take place absent an ETOPS check in Larnaca, therefore the violation. It is USAPA's opinion that an organization operating with this level of reckless abandon for the truth is unquestionably suffering at a safety culture deficit. What will it take for US Airways management to finally be introspective and admit that they are over-cooking the completion factor/on-time bonus scheme and thereby placing undue pressure on the Safety Culture at this airline?

The FAA has completed its investigation of this series of flights and is proceeding with enforcement action against our airline. This reality should bring each and every one of us a moment of pause. We should take stock of the fact that twelve crew members placed their trust in Chief Pilots and were let down and were exposed to potential certificate action. Management compromised the safety of our passengers and crew by knowingly flying without ETOPS service checks. The pilots were lied to by their supervisor and were placed in harm's way, and along with our passengers, were along for the ride. According to our research, every other airline found a way to conduct operations from Tel Aviv without violating ETOPS requirements; only US Airways pretended the fuel contamination was an "unexpected" situation for several days.
Aviation is a serious business. This reality seems hopelessly lost on Management whose inclination to politicize everything and litigate their way toward an endless delay at the negotiating table has overpowered their sense of responsibility to maintain a safe operation. Management appears to have the same response for every operational consideration brought to light by USAPA: Job Action. And their misguided and insulting opinion of your organization's role and the expertise of your Safety Committee is filtering down to the Chief Pilots who are now in the business of judging your taxi speed with third party data (of dubious accuracy) and second-guessing your need for crew oxygen quantities. Because of their documented unwillingness to engage the US Airways pilots on serious issues, we can only hope that a non-fatal event will awaken this management "team" to the reality that their continued disrespect for safety and myopic focus on money will eventually be paid for with blood.

In the face of this deplorable example as well as countless others, it should be clear that neither USAPA pilots, nor any US Airways employee has the luxury of trusting Management to make responsible decisions. We must remain ever vigilant and realize that when faced with unusual operational circumstances, we must side-step Management to acquire legitimate answers that won't put us, our passengers or the airline itself in harm's way. Should you have any doubts about the way US Airways wants you to operate an aircraft, we recommend you first obtain a hard copy of the guidance being offered by the Chief Pilot. Next, call the USAPA Safety Committee or call the FAA Certificate Management Office at 412-262-9034 to speak with Mark Mulkey, ext 272, Joe Zylwitis, ext. 247, Charlie Ruggiero, ext. 239 or Darrell Miller, ext. 284. You can also call the FAA Aviation Safety Hotline at 1 800 255 1111 to report suspected violations.

We have no estimate of the financial penalty that US Airways is now facing for operating these three flights without ETOPS authority. For now, the next time a Chief Pilot assures you he's checked with the FAA or offers you any other such assurance, I urge you to either call your USAPA Safety Committee, exercise your own judgment, or find other resources.

Sincerely,

Captain Mike Cleary
President

I believe with USAPA's pending LOA 93, Status Quo and DJ lawsuit failures; along with a Preliminary Injunction ruling forthcoming, Mike Cleary is turning up the rhetoric in a battle he cannot win. US Airways holds the trump card and that is terminating a pilot's employment if a person violates the FOM, harms the airline, disobeys an order, or harasses another employee. We jsut saw this happen and it will likely happen again in the not-too-distant future.

Interestingly, the new lanyard policy has been included in the FOM with the latest change; as well as other new operational policies (i strongly encourage pilots should closely read the new FOM changes). And, a pilot should not forget any termination will be forwarded to any new prospective employer per the Pilot Reporting Information Act for a period of 5 years. Just like with DL training where Cleary and his "inner circle" completed their training, I believe Cleary is placing pilots in harms way and Robert Isom will not tolerate Cleary's misrepresentation, misleading comments, and at times flat out lying. It's unfortunate, but I believe USAPA has failed to deliver a single campaign promise and our pilots are being badly hurt by USAPA's leadership.

According to a PHX-based pilot, “Here is the problem with the message Cleary just released. If there were, God forbid, a serious accident, Mike just opened himself and the union to serious liability. The reps need to be scrabbling on this one. They have been all weakend anyway. Mike's street credibility just went down a notch when the BPR found out about the Order from the NY Court released on Tuesday, September 6th. Nary a word was mentioned about it during the BPR meeting last week. The BPR found out about it through second hand sources.”

If Cleary had credibility and did not mislead others then why did he not inform the BPR and the pilots about last week's District Court's Status Quo lawsuit order and ruling? Where is the transparency? In my opinion, the UELs do not know how to close a deal and they operate from emotion and pent up anger. Their lack of leadership and inability to work with management continues to fail us and has failed us, East and West pilots alike, which is directly responsible for every major failure our combined pilot group has sustained. Albert Einstein once said, "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result." Think about this quote for a second and ask yourself, does this quote apply to the way Cleary runs our union? Me thinks so...

Finally, I believe messages such as today's President's Message will push the fence sitters away from USAPA. As the 3rd listers (new hires who have no dog in the seniority integration fight) continues to grow and USAPA continues to have major failures the union's support will ultimately shift, which I believe will cause the union to fail, the Nicolau Award's ultimate implementation, and a new contract to be obtained.
 
Today US Airways' stock price hit a 52-week low at $4.70 and is once again the securities price is drifting towards bankruptcy range, while USAPA and the UELs continue to harm the company, Cleary writes letters escalating the fight with management, and some pilots hurt the airline by driving revenue away/increasing costs.

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I believe the pent up anger of some of our colleagues needs to stop once and for all. It's not healthy. I understand that life is an equal opportunity “dissapointer.” Furthermore, I recognize whenever we don’t receive what we think is fair, or just, we get angrier causing us to lash out. The feeling that the world's or US Airways' "injustice done to us" is greatly contributing to us not finding solutions to our problems. We continue to elect to union office people who were former ALPA leaders that have failed to produce in the past and they say what we want to hear, which keeps hurting us over-and-over again. It's time for us to have union leaders who tell us the truth, regardless if its what we want to hear or not, so effective solutions to our problems can be found.

With energy prices rising, global economic instability, the ever present risk of airline terrorism, and potential natural disasters on the horizon, etc., some of our pilots are further placing our company and futures at risk.

USAPA has failed to deliver on one campaign promise and we are economically worse off today than before. There is no quick resolution to our problems, no new contract in sight, and we work for the most vulnerable legacy airline in the country. When would now be good time for us to encourage others to stop this destructive behavior?
 
I believe with USAPA's pending LOA 93, Status Quo and DJ lawsuit failures; along with a Preliminary Injunction ruling forthcoming, Mike Cleary is turning up the rhetoric in a battle he cannot win. US Airways holds the trump card and that is terminating a pilot's employment if a person violates the FOM, harms the airline, disobeys an order, or harasses another employee. We jsut saw this happen and it will likely happen again in the not-too-distant future.

Interestingly, the new lanyard policy has been included in the FOM with the latest change; as well as other new operational policies (i strongly encourage pilots should closely read the new FOM changes). And, a pilot should not forget any termination will be forwarded to any new prospective employer per the Pilot Reporting Information Act for a period of 5 years. Just like with DL training where Cleary and his "inner circle" completed their training, I believe Cleary is placing pilots in harms way and Robert Isom will not tolerate Cleary's misrepresentation, misleading comments, and at times flat out lying. It's unfortunate, but I believe USAPA has failed to deliver a single campaign promise and our pilots are being badly hurt by USAPA's leadership.

According to a PHX-based pilot, “Here is the problem with the message Cleary just released. If there were, God forbid, a serious accident, Mike just opened himself and the union to serious liability. The reps need to be scrabbling on this one. They have been all weakend anyway. Mike's street credibility just went down a notch when the BPR found out about the Order from the NY Court released on Tuesday, September 6th. Nary a word was mentioned about it during the BPR meeting last week. The BPR found out about it through second hand sources.”

If Cleary had credibility and did not mislead others then why did he not inform the BPR and the pilots about last week's District Court's Status Quo lawsuit order and ruling? Where is the transparency? In my opinion, the UELs do not know how to close a deal and they operate from emotion and pent up anger. Their lack of leadership and inability to work with management continues to fail us and has failed us, East and West pilots alike, which is directly responsible for every major failure our combined pilot group has sustained. Albert Einstein once said, "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result." Think about this quote for a second and ask yourself, does this quote apply to the way Cleary runs our union? Me thinks so...

Finally, I believe messages such as today's President's Message will push the fence sitters away from USAPA. As the 3rd listers (new hires who have no dog in the seniority integration fight) continues to grow and USAPA continues to have major failures the union's support will ultimately shift, which I believe will cause the union to fail, the Nicolau Award's ultimate implementation, and a new contract to be obtained.

The “fence sitters” have nowhere to go. There is a legitimate safety problem here at this airline that is being blacked out by the labor issues in front of it. I don’t agree with those very few who have taken on their own fight using safety as a mask. I do agree with those towing the line and holding management's feet to the flame on safety.

Where do I go with a real safety problem, one that needs fixing NOW? I can submit an ASAP and get form email in reply. I can go to my CP and risk discipline if found to be wearing silly lanyard while I tell the tale. I could exercise my Capt's authority (right or wrong) and get escorted off the property. I could go to the Safety Chair and..well, that is exactly where we are now. The Union has gone public (and again, I understand the labor issues in the background) in its effort to get the culture fixed here. Do you think we have problem here or not? Have you personally backed your crew on all issues safety, no matter what your personal beliefs?

By the way, I can only assume you believe true safety communication can only occur with us on the ground and management’s foot on our neck. How did that work out at EAL? They had a legit safety campaign at the end concerning maintenance, and it was only confirmed years later by the FAA. I remember an editorial in Aviation Week apologizing for their original take on the pilots during and before the strike.

Cleary is (heaven help me) actually correct. We are now being lied to by our CPs concerning operational issues. The lies start out simple, “APU cycles are the issue” then “APU fuel is the issue” to more serious ones like being dispatched on a bold face lie. What happened to Valerie should give us all pause, especially those that have been terminated in the past, only to get their job back the union (ALPA or USAPA.) Starting with the infamous lie “fuel school” I have never been more ashamed of my employer.

Finally, those in the peanut gallery with no vote are the most pathetic. They freely dump on their own fellow pilots almost daily here, but won’t pay the pitifully small difference in fees vs. dues to have a real say.

RR
 
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