US Pilots Labor Discussion

[767one]

Nooooo, you're kidding? So that's the reason for all the extra staffing in the CPO, and supposed oversight in the hub towers? Who'da thunk it?

Party at your house?

How about answering the question. Are you now a MIGS?

PB,


You would think that is a pretty easy question to answer but for some reason he always seems to be about 25kz off freq with everybody else and he only sends and apparently doesn't receive. I can't understand how he thinks anybody would take him seriously if he doesn't even care enough to be a migs and vote ! How else does he expect things to change?


Regards,


Bob

 

[767one]

I believe with USAPA's pending LOA 93, Status Quo and DJ lawsuit failures; along with a Preliminary Injunction ruling forthcoming, Mike Cleary is turning up the rhetoric in a battle he cannot win. US Airways holds the trump card and that is terminating a pilot's employment if a person violates the FOM, harms the airline, disobeys an order, or harasses another employee. We jsut saw this happen and it will likely happen again in the not-too-distant future.

Interestingly, the new lanyard policy has been included in the FOM with the latest change; as well as other new operational policies (i strongly encourage pilots should closely read the new FOM changes). And, a pilot should not forget any termination will be forwarded to any new prospective employer per the Pilot Reporting Information Act for a period of 5 years. Just like with DL training where Cleary and his "inner circle" completed their training, I believe Cleary is placing pilots in harms way and Robert Isom will not tolerate Cleary's misrepresentation, misleading comments, and at times flat out lying. It's unfortunate, but I believe USAPA has failed to deliver a single campaign promise and our pilots are being badly hurt by USAPA's leadership.

According to a PHX-based pilot, “Here is the problem with the message Cleary just released. If there were, God forbid, a serious accident, Mike just opened himself and the union to serious liability. The reps need to be scrabbling on this one. They have been all weakend anyway. Mike's street credibility just went down a notch when the BPR found out about the Order from the NY Court released on Tuesday, September 6th. Nary a word was mentioned about it during the BPR meeting last week. The BPR found out about it through second hand sources.”

If Cleary had credibility and did not mislead others then why did he not inform the BPR and the pilots about last week's District Court's Status Quo lawsuit order and ruling? Where is the transparency? In my opinion, the UELs do not know how to close a deal and they operate from emotion and pent up anger. Their lack of leadership and inability to work with management continues to fail us and has failed us, East and West pilots alike, which is directly responsible for every major failure our combined pilot group has sustained. Albert Einstein once said, "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result." Think about this quote for a second and ask yourself, does this quote apply to the way Cleary runs our union? Me thinks so...

Finally, I believe messages such as today's President's Message will push the fence sitters away from USAPA. As the 3rd listers (new hires who have no dog in the seniority integration fight) continues to grow and USAPA continues to have major failures the union's support will ultimately shift, which I believe will cause the union to fail, the Nicolau Award's ultimate implementation, and a new contract to be obtained.

 

[Piedmont1984]

It would not surprise me if Cleary, Kubic, Theure, and Borman are terminated next.

Why do you remain an outlier, if you have strong beliefs and specific ideas on where we should go and what we should do?

You were a strong advocate of a card drive to get ALPA back on the property. Now you have backed off from that position, claiming that ALPA doesn't want us back until the SLI dispute is settled.

Pardon the metaphor, but you are like a dog barking at the moon, noisy but irrelevant. Either start a card drive, or become a MIGS and vote, or go find yourself.

 

[Piedmont1984]

Good post Bob 🙂

 

[767one]

I believe with USAPA's pending LOA 93, Status Quo and DJ lawsuit failures; along with a Preliminary Injunction ruling forthcoming, Mike Cleary is turning up the rhetoric in a battle he cannot win. US Airways holds the trump card and that is terminating a pilot's employment if a person violates the FOM, harms the airline, disobeys an order, or harasses another employee. We jsut saw this happen and it will likely happen again in the not-too-distant future.

Interestingly, the new lanyard policy has been included in the FOM with the latest change; as well as other new operational policies (i strongly encourage pilots should closely read the new FOM changes). And, a pilot should not forget any termination will be forwarded to any new prospective employer per the Pilot Reporting Information Act for a period of 5 years. Just like with DL training where Cleary and his "inner circle" completed their training, I believe Cleary is placing pilots in harms way and Robert Isom will not tolerate Cleary's misrepresentation, misleading comments, and at times flat out lying. It's unfortunate, but I believe USAPA has failed to deliver a single campaign promise and our pilots are being badly hurt by USAPA's leadership.

According to a PHX-based pilot, “Here is the problem with the message Cleary just released. If there were, God forbid, a serious accident, Mike just opened himself and the union to serious liability. The reps need to be scrabbling on this one. They have been all weakend anyway. Mike's street credibility just went down a notch when the BPR found out about the Order from the NY Court released on Tuesday, September 6th. Nary a word was mentioned about it during the BPR meeting last week. The BPR found out about it through second hand sources.”

If Cleary had credibility and did not mislead others then why did he not inform the BPR and the pilots about last week's District Court's Status Quo lawsuit order and ruling? Where is the transparency? In my opinion, the UELs do not know how to close a deal and they operate from emotion and pent up anger. Their lack of leadership and inability to work with management continues to fail us and has failed us, East and West pilots alike, which is directly responsible for every major failure our combined pilot group has sustained. Albert Einstein once said, "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result." Think about this quote for a second and ask yourself, does this quote apply to the way Cleary runs our union? Me thinks so...

Finally, I believe messages such as today's President's Message will push the fence sitters away from USAPA. As the 3rd listers (new hires who have no dog in the seniority integration fight) continues to grow and USAPA continues to have major failures the union's support will ultimately shift, which I believe will cause the union to fail, the Nicolau Award's ultimate implementation, and a new contract to be obtained.

You have posted an amazing amount of information on these boards but I can't remember where you have suggested a fix to these problems. Several other posters have asked you if you are a migs and I don't remember seeing an answer yet. If you want change then do something about it rather than bombard this board with information that everybody has already read somewhere else. You are losing you audience because of your rainman like posts. Are you a migs?


Regards,


Bob

 

[Pi brat]

PB,


You would think that is a pretty easy question to answer but for some reason he always seems to be about 25kz off freq with everybody else and he only sends and apparently doesn't receive. I can't understand how he thinks anybody would take him seriously if he doesn't even care enough to be a migs and vote ! How else does he expect things to change?


Regards,


Bob

Well Said Bob!

The recent CLT election shows how much a few votes matter. There was a chance for change(still is with one guy), but the ones sitting it out and the apathetic let the one's happy with our current course rule the day. So be it, but if you weren't there to vote against Cleary during the presidential election, or any of your reps, you really don't have any reason to bxxxx.

 

[Pi brat]

Or maybe Go-Go is slow today...............

 

[Claxon]

Good Lord your eyes must be brown, or they will be shortly because you are so full of crap! What have YOU done to elect the right people? Are you now a MIGS? If not, come back when you can actually vote on someone.

As far as the rest, what has the COMPANY, you know the people that actually run the place, done to lessen the tension and anger? Nothing. Nada. Zip. I sent emails to several of our leaders advocating a "truce" and "safety stand down". Not a peep.

You will soon win LOA 93. This new disciple of Franke Air will be proven totally wrong. You will have much fun dancing on his and the western Franke shock troops shortly. They will soon be devastated. He is owned by Franke Air for some reason, perhaps owing to some past transgression. They use him well.

 

[Res Judicata]

You will soon win LOA 93. This new disciple of Franke Air will be proven totally wrong. You will have much fun dancing on his and the western Franke shock troops shortly. They will soon be devastated. He is owned by Franke Air for some reason, perhaps owing to some past transgression. They use him well.

You are a f'ING lunatic nostradomus, I LOVE IT!!!

 

[Claxon]

Pi brat,

There are more pilot terminations forthcoming for those pilots who violate the FOM and Company policy.

Will the Russian CP be joining the firing squad?

 

[Claxon]

You are a f'ING lunatic nostradomus, I LOVE IT!!!

The lunacy will spread through the western list shortly. The will be up Franke Creek at low tide in a full moon. Deservedly, I might add. Desert inhabitants, you will soon understand the import of a low tide coupled with strong lunar pulse. Prepare for calamity.Ask USA 320, he was there when he bought all that USAir stock when he last foretold events. What little hair he had, was given a high and tight treatment....

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

The lunacy will spread through the western list shortly. The will be up Franke Creek at low tide in a full moon. Deservedly, I might add. Desert inhabitants, you will soon understand the import of a low tide coupled with strong lunar pulse. Prepare for calamity.Ask USA 320, he was there when he bought all that USAir stock when he last foretold events. What little hair he had, was given a high and tight treatment....

Well said brother CLAXON, and for your team, GO BULLS!

 

[apollo]

It would not surprise me if Cleary, Kubic, Theure, and Borman are terminated next.

Please explain to the masses how you were fired for saying you were going to slow down, as a US Airways pilot, their flight operations on this very venue. You may assume that others are "less worldly" than you, it is not possible.

You have your job back now and are affected by the "Stockholm Syndrome". US Airway was so successful with you using this psychology, that they are trying this again, unfortunately for them, with those that have more enlightened substantia nigra under their hair plugs.

 

[cactusboy53]

The only thing the Company has done is let you maniacs run around unchecked. Parker is Dr. Frankenstein and the ugly abortion of a monster he helped create is running loose. Why do I sense another hysterical, hyperbolic USA Today ad filled with more lies, innuendo and half truths?

Video of Mike stopping by to visit some poor soul in CLT just the other day: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhz6i6JGzIU

 

[cactusboy53]

You will soon win LOA 93. This new disciple of Franke Air will be proven totally wrong. You will have much fun dancing on his and the western Franke shock troops shortly. They will soon be devastated. He is owned by Franke Air for some reason, perhaps owing to some past transgression. They use him well.

Dude;
Apollo isn't going to like it that you are "Bogarting" his stash! Come up for air, people will think you're wasted!
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