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Nos/Sumardson/claxon/a chicken,
Why do your keep switching user names? It's impossible for you to hide your mental illnesses btw.
You attack the messenger, not the message cliche is in order here.Nos/Sumardson/claxon/a chicken,
Why do your keep switching user names? It's impossible for you to hide your mental illnesses btw.
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If the message is "I'm a frigging nut job" got it loud and clear. Let me provide you with some much needed clarity. The "western" pilots are guilty of nothing but dealing with you and the company in good faith. Your airline is dead...there is a new airline. The nic. Award will eventually be used as the courts have given no indication that a DOH cram down by the majority, to the sole detriment of the west is legal. Your fake union is run by a laughably incompetent contingent of fools,liars, and narcissists. Your side can choke on your food stamps and government cheese for all this "western" pilot cares. One way or another, you sob's will be forced into compliance. Fight all you want, you have passed the event horizon and will be crushed one way or another. Until then, you get to wake up every day in your miserable, broken headed bodies.
If you weren't such pos's, I'd feel bad for you. But alas, I don't. Not even in the smallest measure imagined.
My assessment of your present situation. Systolic 218 and Diastolic 142.
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He has yet to figure out that all the posts he is wigging out over are mngmnt plants, because (as he should have figured out by now) there are no East posters on this board... no one on LOA 93 wages could possible afford to have internet access.
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USA 320 what is incorrect about Yarko's ACARS LIe.
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It's not personal. You simply type THE EXACT SAME MESSAGES as Nostradamas / Sumadarson with the same sytax, verbage & procivity to change web site names to some little clever "SUM/NOS" quip.
You are not the "messenger". You sir are the eastie fasle prophet of CLEARY. Oh, BTW....your prophecies will not come true. 🙄
I agree with you and I know you will not be surprised but he who's name shall not be mentioned has yet to answer whether or not he is a migs. I guess he is too busy sending for his brain to process input.
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HEY, USA320PILOT!!! Will you answer my question? And while you're at it, I have another one for you. The word on the line is that you were fired for advocating an illegal job operation and the union got your job back. Is that true, and if so isn't it very hypocritical of you to be talking about others that may lose their jobs for claims of the same?
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The last true and accurate measure of pilot sentiment on this property was the representational election in 2008. That was when the highest percentage of all pilots, east and west, voted to either remain or depart from ALPA. It was also a referendum on the Nic. Instead of a ratification vote as part of a contract, it was a representational vote in which the majority rejected the award.
The officer elections of a few years ago took place with PHX and ALPA supporters abstaining. It was a MIGS only event. Even then Cleary was elected only after a second ballot.
I think its time to get a true and accurate measure of the entire pilot group once again. Much has transpired, much has been sacrificed and the road ahead, if we stay the course, appears longer than the road already travelled. How do we feel today, 3.5 years after the election, 6.5 years after the merger and almost 8 years under LOA93 and however many years under C84?
I would urge our leadership to conduct a survey, a scientific one utilizing an outside agency, similar to the Von Thaden safety survey, which would gage pilot sentiment on a number of issues. The Wilson Center comes to mind but there are others who could craft and administer such a survey.
I would further open such a survey to both MIGS and non-MIGS, although the number of non-MIGS is statistically small today. Non of us were MIGS on the eve of the representational election back in 2008.
Such a survey would include but not limited to the following questions:
For the east
Are you satisfied with USAPA's current strategy? Should we stay the course regardless of time and money? Are you willing to move off DOH? If so, would you support a consitutional amendment? Are you willing to accept the Nic? Are you prepared to drop the RICO lawsuit? Would you pursue or support a DFR against USAPA if something other than DOH with current C&R's were implemented?
For the west
Would you be willing to move off the Nic? Would you pursue or support a DFR against USAPA if the majority of west pilots were willing to move off the Nic? If you are certain the Nic will eventually prevail in court, are you satisfied with staying the course or exploring an alternative solution sooner?
Plenty more questions could be asked. I think we should know what all the pilots are thinking today. The last CLT election indicated very low participation. There is a growing silent majority out there that needs to be heard.
The officer elections of a few years ago took place with PHX and ALPA supporters abstaining. It was a MIGS only event. Even then Cleary was elected only after a second ballot.
I think its time to get a true and accurate measure of the entire pilot group once again. Much has transpired, much has been sacrificed and the road ahead, if we stay the course, appears longer than the road already travelled. How do we feel today, 3.5 years after the election, 6.5 years after the merger and almost 8 years under LOA93 and however many years under C84?
I would urge our leadership to conduct a survey, a scientific one utilizing an outside agency, similar to the Von Thaden safety survey, which would gage pilot sentiment on a number of issues. The Wilson Center comes to mind but there are others who could craft and administer such a survey.
I would further open such a survey to both MIGS and non-MIGS, although the number of non-MIGS is statistically small today. Non of us were MIGS on the eve of the representational election back in 2008.
Such a survey would include but not limited to the following questions:
For the east
Are you satisfied with USAPA's current strategy? Should we stay the course regardless of time and money? Are you willing to move off DOH? If so, would you support a consitutional amendment? Are you willing to accept the Nic? Are you prepared to drop the RICO lawsuit? Would you pursue or support a DFR against USAPA if something other than DOH with current C&R's were implemented?
For the west
Would you be willing to move off the Nic? Would you pursue or support a DFR against USAPA if the majority of west pilots were willing to move off the Nic? If you are certain the Nic will eventually prevail in court, are you satisfied with staying the course or exploring an alternative solution sooner?
Plenty more questions could be asked. I think we should know what all the pilots are thinking today. The last CLT election indicated very low participation. There is a growing silent majority out there that needs to be heard.
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Great post. Here is one man's opinion:
1. Keep things status quo, let the courts decide where things must go (because without that direction there is no way the east will budge off their DOH fantasy). It will add finality to the question of whether binding arbitration is truly binding.
2. By keeping #1 above you get to keep PHX the size it is hence no PSA-ing of our domicile.
3. By keeping #1 above we get to keep the benefits of our contract realizing that although it is not great it certainly is better than what the third- rate NAC can ever produce.
4. Retirements are kicking in soon for both sides, just about every one out west will be from the left seat.
5. Eventually, time is on the west's side.
Peace.
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While I agree with everything you said, the unfortunate truth is that those who take the time to participate control the direction of the union. Knowing the sentiment of the silent majority won't make a difference unless the leadership is convinced that that majority will toss them out if they don't pay attention, and history is full of examples where the silent majority wouldn't take the actions necessary to make the leaders follow the path that the majority favors.
I've often said that the pilot group makes the union, not the other way around. That presumes that the pilot group takes the initiative to be informed and participate. Human nature almost demands that those in charge will do what they want as long as they have no fear of being booted out, and it's oh so easy for them to mobilize their supporters as necessary to remain in power when the majority doesn't participate because of apathy, a feeling of "What can I do?", or whatever rationalization is convenient.
Of course, one other problem is that some percentage of that silent majority is silent because the leaders are doing exactly what they want them to do.
Jim
I've often said that the pilot group makes the union, not the other way around. That presumes that the pilot group takes the initiative to be informed and participate. Human nature almost demands that those in charge will do what they want as long as they have no fear of being booted out, and it's oh so easy for them to mobilize their supporters as necessary to remain in power when the majority doesn't participate because of apathy, a feeling of "What can I do?", or whatever rationalization is convenient.
Of course, one other problem is that some percentage of that silent majority is silent because the leaders are doing exactly what they want them to do.
Jim
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