US Pilots Labor Discussion

[luvthe9]

Then what is USAPA waiting for?

Just curious, if you accepted DOH or we accepted the NIC do you think we would get an industry standard contract quickly?

 

[fodase]

I heard here weeks ago there was a big party on the Ninth Floor concerning a total LOA 93 win for the Company. Any word on if the festivities are still going on?

Well it's been what almost 2 years? To me it feels like we will ever hear a decision on any of this stuff. I do believe if the east loses both the injunction and loa 93, usapa will be in deep trouble and the blame game and finger pointing will be in full effect. Heck Cleary has alredy set up seeham to be the fall guy, I think we will see Cleary remove Seeham from the DJ to stall that as long as possible.

 

[Iclubbabyseals]

Just curious, if you accepted DOH or we accepted the NIC do you think we would get an industry standard contract quickly?

So sorry to jump in, but, why would anyone think the DUI queen has any intention of "giving an industry standard contract"? The question should be, why would anyone even think that they would give up their winning lottery ticket (I mean for tempe mgt. and not necessarily the west dudes)?

Killing USAirways may be the only respectable option. Not my first choice, but, if a last choice, a go. Love to see the DUI queen actually work for a living.

 

[Reed Richards]

Well it's been what almost 2 years? To me it feels like we will ever hear a decision on any of this stuff. I do believe if the east loses both the injunction and loa 93, usapa will be in deep trouble and the blame game and finger pointing will be in full effect. Heck Cleary has alredy set up seeham to be the fall guy, I think we will see Cleary remove Seeham from the DJ to stall that as long as possible.

According to West posters here, the same ones that were first with the hotel grievance info, we already lost LOA 93.

Most of us, although never giving up all hope, long ago really gave up the ghost on LOA 93. At least I did. Don't really see any "blame game" going on with a loss. The case was professionally presented, about the best it could be in my opinion. The leg work and arguments for that case transcend any politics, and actually were worked on over the span of a varying Officer and BPR core. Who would I blame for a loss? Certainly not those in charge USAPA, no matter what my politics. A bang up job was done at the hearing year ago February. No complaints from me, a win or loss will simply be "what it is."

Don't see any connection to Seham. The political drama going on there has nothing to do with his work, only with his willingness to give the bad news when it is not welcome. Seham is not and will not be a fall guy for LOA 93. Just don't see that . As to the DJ, how could it be "delayed" any more than it already is?

I understand you used the work "believe" in your analysis, I just don't agree with any of it.

RR

 

[luvthe9]

Well it's been what almost 2 years? To me it feels like we will ever hear a decision on any of this stuff. I do believe if the east loses both the injunction and loa 93, usapa will be in deep trouble and the blame game and finger pointing will be in full effect. Heck Cleary has alredy set up seeham to be the fall guy, I think we will see Cleary remove Seeham from the DJ to stall that as long as possible.

You guys put to much emphasis on Cleary, you need to worry about the "indvidual" pilot we are the ones that will accept or turn down any contract, for that matter put in any union you want, it won't change much.

 

[Res Judicata]

Yes, we are all sick of LOA93, old news, what you have to realize is the east will never sign a contract with the NIC or a sub-standard contract (aka Kirby proposal). None of us are asking for the world, just a little old "industry standard" deal.

Until you actually have the balls to prove it, you can stop bringing it up. NOBODY at uslappy trusts the East pilot group with a nic. Inclusive contract vote. What else could one expect from "the most democratic, transparent labor union in history"?

Honestly, I really believe USAPA cheerleaders are the dumbest people in America.

 

[mrbreeze]

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[BoeingBoy]

Actually, it can.

In theory, yes. Just like USAPA can negotiate an industry leading contract...in theory. But then you enter the real world where the company has to agree and suddenly theory means nothing. If you're right - the company is in no hurry to solve the seniority dispute because that would remove an obsticle to getting a combined contract - why in the world would a rational person believe that the company would go along with changing the TA to make solving the seniority dispute easier? It makes no sense whatever, but logic has never been a strong suit for some.

Jim

 

[fodase]

According to West posters here, the same ones that were first with the hotel grievance info, we already lost LOA 93.

Well Doug seems very sure and people in flt ops have said so, these are the same people that say the judge in the injunction case has aske d for input on crafting it, it could be a rumor but I don't see doug going around saying he's a 1000% sure if he wasn't.

Most of us, although never giving up all hope, long ago really gave up the ghost on LOA 93. At least I did.

Check out the bold part, that is most of you, and that loss will close that small hope once and for all. Hope of snap back is all most of you have, I think you know that.

No complaints from me, a win or loss will simply be "what it is."

Well if all the rest of the easties feel that way then I am indeed wrong, we shall see, but the fact remains that a loa 93 win is your only chance at a raise in the foreseeable future.

Don't see any connection to Seham. The political drama going on there has nothing to do with his work, only with his willingness to give the bad news when it is not welcome. Seham is not and will not be a fall guy for LOA 93. Just don't see that .

Well the fact he says there is no relationship or communication between him and the union leadership, the fact that as usapa's lead counsel he didn't even know about the lawsuit filed in ny and the fact that Cleary claims billing impropriety's by his law firm, I think even a dunce could deduce that a falling out is under way

As to the DJ, how could it be "delayed" any more than it already is?

Changing counsel in the middle of litigation would delay any litigation, especially one that usapa wants no part of.

I understand you used the work "believe" in your analysis, I just don't agree with it

Well, I am calling it based on the info I have and things I see. I have been known to be wrong but this is my opinion.

 

[mrbreeze]

Well Doug seems very sure and people in flt ops have said so, these are the same people that say the judge in the injunction case has aske d for input on crafting it, it could be a rumor but I don't see doug going around saying he's a 1000% sure if he wasn't.

I believe that a lot of what comes out of Tempe's collective mouth is propaganda to quash the uprising in the East....lot's of spin there.

If the Tempe attorneys are that sharp, why would they lose this one? Notice the very last line.....the good ole boys are not above applying their own tactics.

Sabre Holdings Corp., which was sued by US Airways Group Inc. (LCC) over its system for distributing data to travel agents, won dismissal of two of the antitrust claims against it.

In a one-page, handwritten ruling filed yesterday, U.S. District Judge Miriam Goldman Cedarbaum in Manhattan threw out US Airways’ claims that Sabre conspired and monopolized what it called the “Sabre travel agent market.”

Cedarbaum ordered US Airways to file an amended complaint to provide the sources of information and bases for its allegations in the two remaining counts.

US Airways’ antitrust suit against Sabre, the largest so- called global distribution system based in the U.S., followed a complaint filed by AMR Corp. (AMR)’s American Airlines in Texas state court in January as the carriers seek more control over dissemination and sale of their products.

In the remaining claims, US Airways said Sabre restrained competition through a series of agreements with airlines and travel agents and that it conspired with other operators of global distribution systems, which provide travel agents with fare and schedule information, to keep out competitors.

US Airways spokesman Todd Lehmacher declined to comment on the ruling except to say the case is going forward. In papers it filed in August seeking dismissal of the complaint, Sabre, based in Southlake, Texas, said the suit is "USAirways' attempt to renegotiate the three-year contract" with the airline.

 

[700UW]

The same attorneys dont handle the case. An expert law firm represents US in the labor cases, different lawyers represent the case against Sabre.

 

[mrbreeze]

The same attorneys dont handle the case. An expert law firm represents US in the labor cases, different lawyers represent the case against Sabre.

and your point is???

It all is still generated from legal department. My point is that they are not experts, themselves.....no crystal balls.

They haven't anymore clue about LOA93 than you and I have, unless the Kasher decision came out in the last week or so. The previous post pertains to statements made over the last few months.

breeze

 

[fodase]

and your point is???

It all is still generated from legal department. My point is that they are not experts, themselves.....no crystal balls.

They haven't anymore clue about LOA93 than you and I have, unless the Kasher decision came out in the last week or so. The previous post pertains to statements made over the last few months.

breeze

either way I hope we have an answer soon so we can move the ball down the field a few more inches.

 

[mrbreeze]

either way I hope we have an answer soon so we can move the ball down the field a few more inches.

TOTALLY agree!!! I am tired of waiting.

 

[700UW]

Its not US corporate counsel who presents the case, its the outside law firms, dont you get that?