On one point your are correct, it is not now JUST my restaurant, it is ours and we should share,fairly. But, how many "big" tables did their restaurant have. How many premium menu selections? When, if ever, would they EXPECT them to arrive?
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On one point your are correct, it is not now JUST my restaurant, it is ours and we should share,fairly. But, how many "big" tables did their restaurant have. How many premium menu selections? When, if ever, would they EXPECT them to arrive?
"With continued high jet fuel prices and substantial competitive reaction to our transcontinental service, which resulted in increased capacity and decreased fares, we scaled back our transcontinental flying in late 2004. Non-stop services from New York City’s John F. Kennedy International (JFK) and Logan International Airport (BOS) airports to San Francisco International Airport (SFO) were suspended in November 2004. We also suspended service between BOS and Los Angeles International Airport (LAX) and LAX and Washington Dulles International Airport in early 2005. Service between LAX and JFK remains in place with once daily scheduled service. We expect to increase our LAX to JFK service to twice-daily for the summer peak period from June through the Labor Day weekend, 2005."
There is some growth! A round trip. No wonder pre thinks the east "grew" from May'05.
There is some growth! A round trip. No wonder pre thinks the east "grew" from May'05.
Nope, just the guys at the front of the line that got their rightful place. Those of us in the big table line had a lot of hungrier, non-big table let in line in front of us.
My other questions?
In addition, the consolidation of existing carriers, the entry of additional carriers including new low cost carriers, the creation of low fare airline divisions by several major airlines and the revision of traditional pricing structures by our competitors in many of our markets (as well as increased services by established carriers) has resulted in increased pressure on our pricing. For additional discussion of industry competition and related government regulation, see “Risk Factors Relating to America West and Industry Related Risks – The airline industry and the markets we serve are highly competitive and we may be unable to compete effectively against carriers with substantially greater resources or lower cost structures” and, generally, “Government Regulations.”
WOW!!!!! So Doug said this BEFORE the merger. Huh, how did he know he had to protect west feeling way back then?
WOW!!!!! So Doug said this BEFORE the merger. Huh, how did he know he had to protect west feeling way back then?
"AWA began the year 2004 with 139 aircraft. In 2004, AWA retired seven 737-200 aircraft (returned five leased aircraft; parked one leased aircraft; sold one owned aircraft) and took delivery of one new A319 aircraft and five new A320 aircraft for a net total of 138 aircraft by the end of 2004 with an average age of 10.7 years."
Let's see, 139 to start the year changes to 138 to finish. No wonder you guys were upgrading so fast!
Let's see, 139 to start the year changes to 138 to finish. No wonder you guys were upgrading so fast!
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No, you were talking about the language concerning risk factors that every company puts in it's 10K (as I showed). You weren't talking about AWA or what it's future held.
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Exactly - everybody got their rightful place based on the place they had at the time of the merger. Anything else and you're speculating on the future. How would those waiting for that big table have fared when their old "restaurant" shooed them out the door and liquidated? They would have had to get in a new line and wait their turn.
You talked about having to share at the new restaurant, buy you only want to share after everyone from your old restaurant gets what they want. When no one is left from "your" restaurant you'll be glad to "share"...
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Really? Then why did NIC not protect all the current A330 Captains at the time of the merger. Dozens of West pilots were placed senior to the junior A330 Captains. So, I guess your argument will be that they had bids out of seniority. I won't buy it. A bid award is a bid award.
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Noooo, I was quoted America West Airlines 10-K. Other airlines may indeed put the same things in it, but that would even make my case stronger, as some westies here have this belief that they were kicking ass and taking names and would have been immune to the great recession. Not so.
Ok, you have dance and dribbled all over the place, now care to address the facts as deramin's sees it? Or will you do like you did with prechilli and the great "'05 active east pilot debate"?
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Because slotting by equipement and status (the NIC award) assumes everyone is holding the most senior position they can.
It's the position that is protected, not the person who bids that position.
How many East 767, 320, and 737 Captains are senior to the junior A330 Captain?
So why do you think he used our positions from 2007 instead of what we "brought" to the merger in 2005?
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Throwing the BS flag on this post. The oldest bid I can find is from April 04. There were a TOTAL of 79 330 captain positions. Fine you want to protect 79 spots you give up the other 438 deal?
The junior 330 captain on that bid was R. S. Brown seniority number 388. The east got the first 517. So how in the He## could "Dozens of west pilots placed senior to the junior A330 captain" happen? Spewing BS and lies.
If you are going to make up crap don't make it so easy to prove you wrong.
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