US Pilots Labor Discussion

[luvthe9]

Gee, what a travesty that would have been... The east would have had parity plus a raise, more vacation and beter work rules.

Hey Nic, I think I will wait a few more weeks to see how things pan out, then will see, for now patience my boy.

 

[Move2CLT]

Hey Nic, I think I will wait a few more weeks to see how things pan out, then will see, for now patience my boy.

You won't have to wait that long.

 

[nic4us]

You have got to be kidding me. The Kirby! Really? I thought you westies said the Kirby was a non-starter. No min fleet, same EMB rates, no increase in DC contributions and as soon as they shrunk PHX, the bump and flush you were looking for. No thanks.

Cut the stole bullshit. Separate ops. You guys were okay with it when you thought it would benefit you, so live with it now.

Well, the top 1000 east pilots shot themselves in the foot to enable usapa to steal from me, and unwittingly allowing usapa to steal from them.

I am just pointing that out.

Thing is Pi, I have no problem with your revisionist history of how the merger took place. My problem lies in your thinking that a seperate east is the same entity that was the pre-merger USAirways. You seem to think a stand alone east is your former employer. Totally false. A seperate east is a division of LCC, just as a seperate West is no longer AWA. You say we both needed each other, and that the merger benefited both sides. Okay, lets go with that. Now explain to me how Odell and the furloughed West pilots lost their jobs while furloughed east pilots (even some who were recalled to the West and were by all measures junior to Odell) are now employed.

I will tell you how I think it happened. usapa enabled east pilots to scab West jobs and continues to do so.

Another thing. It has been pointed out numerous times that the use of the scab word is inappropriate. The idea that the term scab should be reserved for a person who crosses a picket line and performs struck work. Well, I see no difference between a person who performs struck work, denying the workers an improved contract, and the east pilots who walked from negotiations, formed usapa and intentionally denied us all a better contract. The fact that usapa sought to get east furloughees job retention before West pilots that are senior to them within LCC, denied a "seperate West" section 6, and then goes for the disingenous LOA93 hail Mary, is just icing on the scab cake.

So how about you cut the bullshit. It is absolutely undeniable that usapa has cost us all hundreds of millions collectively, and for certain individuals hundreds of thousands personally.

 

[Boeing Driver]

The East pilots who were furloughed before the merger stole the jobs of the West pilots who are furloughed now.

If the East had not reneged on the mutually agreeded upon seniority arbitration process those West pilots would be working today.

It is the worthless AWA flying that went away - that is why there are AWA pilots currently furloughed. There would be a whole lot more AWA furloughed right now as well, if they had not been able to steal 24% of the East flying.

What you are really upset about is that you have been unable to steal the rest of the East flying, like you were promised would happen during all of the negotiations. Remember the old AWA slogan - "Keep your eye on the prize." We all know what the "prize" is, and it sure as hell isn't the old AWA flying.

Be prepared to remain frustrated for a whole lot longer...

Boeing Driver

 

[nic4us]

Please indicate what east pilot stole which west job and from whom and how?

while you're at it, how about telling us how you are going to overcome the enormous/insurmountable obstacle of ever getting a majority vote to even consider the nic? maybe you don't realize what the company knows; the division is worse than ever and there is no possibility of it ever happening. and if loa93 does in fact come out in our favor, where does that leave you?

Lots of talk at amr lately. guys trying to retire in droves. rumors on the street of a possible U involvement. if we ever get teamed up with them does the west even want to be considered or sold off? do you think parker is so much of a buddy that he will take care of you even if it means deep sixing any possible deal? better hope so.

V

Happy to oblige there V,

Any pilot whose name appears below Odell on the Nic ( actually hire up than Odell, but I use the name we are familiar with) who is presently employed has stolen a West pilot's job.

Further, any east captain (this includes you Pi) who has requaled out of seniority, while there are displaced West captains, has stolen West jobs.


AMR rumor....you are showing what a clueless idiot you east people continue to be. Exactly how does "the west" decide to be in an AMR deal. I would think that any deal would be between AMR and LCC. Um..US went bye bye in 2005 when it was aquired by AWA in a merger that resulted in the formation of LCC. All the former "east" assetes are owned and operated by LCC. You are not a stand alone airline exclusively removed from the West whose jobs you are stealing.

 

[traderjake]

It is the worthless AWA flying that went away - that is why there are AWA pilots currently furloughed.

There is no East or West flying, only East and West bases and airplanes doing the flying.

It's one company now and you're not going to undo the merger.

Without the merger the largest probability is that all East flying would have gone away.

 

[aquagreen73s]

It is the worthless AWA flying that went away - that is why there are AWA pilots currently furloughed. There would be a whole lot more AWA furloughed right now as well, if they had not been able to steal 24% of the East flying.

What you are really upset about is that you have been unable to steal the rest of the East flying, like you were promised would happen during all of the negotiations. Remember the old AWA slogan - "Keep your eye on the prize." We all know what the "prize" is, and it sure as hell isn't the old AWA flying.

Be prepared to remain frustrated for a whole lot longer...

Boeing Driver

The idea behind merging AWA's low cost structure with AAA's industry high cost structure was to boost revenue with a more balanced route network. By combining the two, costs would be spread across a wider network thereby reducing CASM. AWA was able to reduce costs for the old AAA and that has been a benefit to the East, but the East has not been able to deliver by increasing RASM enough to make the joint venture as profitable as Parker had promised on paper.

The experiment has mostly been a failure, but no worries. Merger #2 is around the corner. Nicolau is it.

 

[BoeingBoy]

I have never intentionally avoided a question or yours or from anyone else.

Why, then, are you putting so much effort into avoiding this one...don't like the answer maybe. It might destroy you're carefully erected fantasy that AWH was in as bad a shape or worse than US? It's a simple question - you've asked it plenty of times. Why not just answer it instead of deflecting, evading, attacking, etc.? Not man enough? Steamboat mouth and rowboat arse?

Jim

 

[Pi brat]

Why, then, are you putting so much effort into avoiding this one...don't like the answer maybe. It might destroy you're carefully erected fantasy that AWH was in as bad a shape or worse than US? It's a simple question - you've asked it plenty of times. Why not just answer it instead of deflecting, evading, attacking, etc.? Not man enough? Steamboat mouth and rowboat arse?

Jim

I guess the same would apply to you since you haven't answered mine, since it is the same answer.

Keep telling yourself "I'm not paranoid if they are really out to get me". Are you and USA320 picnicking together these days?

 

[BoeingBoy]

Please indicate what east pilot stole which west job and from whom and how?

while you're at it, how about telling us how you are going to overcome the enormous/insurmountable obstacle of ever getting a majority vote to even consider the nic?

Talk to Pie - he's got it all figured out. The west just has to vote as a block and they are unbeatable according to him. And the best part? The east is so divided they can't do a thing about it, again according to Pie...

Jim

 

[Pi brat]

The East pilots who were furloughed before the merger stole the jobs of the West pilots who are furloughed now.

BULLSHIT!!! Separate ops until a joint contract is ratified. Period. Give me a date that would have happened before you run your mouth.

Several hundred pilots that were furloughed before the merger returned to the line BEFORE the Nicolau came out, BEFORE ALPA left JNC talks, BEFORE USAPA was elected. You owe some pilots an apology you low life.

 

[Pi brat]

Talk to Pie - he's got it all figured out. The west just has to vote as a block and they are unbeatable according to him. And the best part? The east is so divided they can't do a thing about it, again according to Pie...

Jim

Did I hurt your feelings by doubting your keen analytical skills?

 

[aquagreen73s]

BULLSHIT!!! Separate ops until a joint contract is ratified. Period. Give me a date that would have happened before you run your mouth.

When enough realize that they're working under LOA93 for no benefit other than a couple of extra upgrades (Nicolau nailed the ratio).

Several hundred pilots that were furloughed before the merger returned to the line BEFORE the Nicolau came out, BEFORE ALPA left JNC talks, BEFORE USAPA was elected. You owe some pilots an apology you low life.

That's because AWA voluntarily ceased hiring on the West so more East furloughees could return.

You're welcome by the way.

 

[Move2CLT]

BULLSHIT!!! Separate ops until a joint contract is ratified. Period. Give me a date that would have happened before you run your mouth.

Several hundred pilots that were furloughed before the merger returned to the line BEFORE the Nicolau came out, BEFORE ALPA left JNC talks, BEFORE USAPA was elected. You owe some pilots an apology you low life.

Between Mikey and hair Pi, I don't know who is going crazy faster. All that swearing and crying - it's break time for you boys. At least Mikey wisely has left the boards.

 

[Pi brat]

When enough realize that they're working under LOA93 for no benefit other than a couple of extra upgrades (Nicolau nailed the ratio).



That's because AWA voluntarily ceased hiring on the West so more East furloughees could return.

You're welcome by the way.

F you and your "your welcome." More BULLSHIT. The east shrank during the time the furloughed pilots returned. They moved back into the seats they had before when guys ahead of them left those seats, not seats the west had rights to. I've shown you that over and over.