US Pilots Labor Discussion

[luvn737s]

Good article in this months pro pilot.
Saudis would not hire local pilots. Why....in a crunch they would let Allah decide the outcome....rather than skill.

How is that different than easties hypnotically following the religion of Cleary and sacrificing their careers for a hypocritical "leader" and avoid being put on some "pink panty" list that he endorses.

If your fellow pilots could grasp the criteria for "winning" you would see how close you are and reject Cleary's diversions. Instead you remain committed to this losing strategy and use agency fee to drag the west along against their will.

 

[Phoenix]

If only. The east will delay the vote to the point where it becomes worthless. Of course the west will have been extorted for millions in wasted dues by that time.

It's time to take back pilot labor from the children running USAPA. You've seen their best, and you can't expect things to change.

OCCUPY USAPA!!

That you would invoke the spirit of the OCCUPY Wallstreet deadbeats is too funny. But keep trying to persuade our vote, its almost becoming quaint.

 

[Rookie Jr]

I just finished watching the most recent CLT crew news. Scott Kirby says that he hopes east and west can reach a compromise to resolve the seniority dispute. He further states that if we don't the court will dictate the Nicolau list must be used or the company (can) use DOH. He says that this will be resolved, best case 12 to 18 months.

I believe that I can speak for 99.999% of the west here and say that we are more than willing to wait that amount of time for a resolution by the court. After four years and millions of dollars we would be foolish to do otherwise. So, for anyone from the east attempting to move the west in any direction other than the final and binding decision of the arbitratior - you are wasting your time.

 

[Code Name V]

I just finished watching the most recent CLT crew news. Scott Kirby says that he hopes east and west can reach a compromise to resolve the seniority dispute. He further states that if we don't the court will dictate the Nicolau list must be used or the company (can) use DOH. He says that this will be resolved, best case 12 to 18 months.

I believe that I can speak for 99.999% of the west here and say that we are more than willing to wait that amount of time for a resolution by the court. After four years and millions of dollars we would be foolish to do otherwise. So, for anyone from the east attempting to move the west in any direction other than the final and binding decision of the arbitratior - you are wasting your time.

The court will not dictate the required vote. The ninth already ruled and the supreme court backed them up. Give it up. Your uphill battle can not be won and Scotch Kirby can't change it.

V

 

[luvn737s]

That you would invoke the spirit of the OCCUPY Wallstreet deadbeats is too funny. But keep trying to persuade our vote, its almost becoming quaint.

Nah, what's quaint is your naieve thought that you will ever get a vote that's relevant. Once the minoroty that drives USAPA milks all they can get out of delaying a vote, they may concede to let you vote on the tattered remains of a contract.

You go sparky, keep waitin' on that elusive vote.

Do you ever get sick of being used?

 

[767jetz]

As they say, read'em and weep....not callin anybody, or group out, we all have our dead fish in the closet, its just those with a narrow field of vision, somtimes need a convex lens.....smiles)

And I never claimed UA pilots didn't have bad eggs. I know for fact that we do. Lets set the record straight. It was the now muzzled Nostradamus/sumaderson/claxon/apollo who coined the phrase "you are part of a group who..." and had a penchant for 20 year old news articles and wild claims of scabbing and drug running, along with many other unsubstantiated claims aimed at anyone who failed to submit to his view of the world. I NEVER start exchanges like that. I only throw it back to the source. So save the convex lens for the real offenders.

 

[767jetz]

Oh...jetz is a westie now ?...BTW, he/she says his "wife" has "the" career and he/she flies 35 hours a month...Keep up JG !...
that was all about a Fedex jacket...

Another AFO, veins bulging in head so bad he can't see straight, let alone comprehend the written language.

Ummm... Jim was pointing out the hypocrisy of you easties sitting silent when certain (muzzled) jackwads sling dirt at westies, yet are beside yourselves when it comes back your way. He didn't refer to ME as a westie. In fact he knows exactly who I fly for.

And BTW, it wasn't me who brought up the subject of my situation. It's your insecure, obsessed brethren who keep questioning me and my personal life. I just provide the answers, not the subject matter. Why don't YOU try to keep up? If you're tired of hearing about it, stop asking about it and stop bringing it up.

 

[Elevation]

Cops get another pilot Link 190 FO

 

[Rookie Jr]

The court will not dictate the required vote. The ninth already ruled and the supreme court backed them up. Give it up. Your uphill battle can not be won and Scotch Kirby can't change it.

V

If the court dictates that one or the other method of integration must be used one side or the other will have to suck it up and accept it. With that in mind a subsequent contract vote will eventually happen and will (some day ) pass. My guess is that there will be a merger prior to that and a contract will happen prior to seniority integration in that merger. Once that contract is in place (and you will be outnumbered) your ratification requirement will have been met.

 

[cleardirect]

The court will not dictate the required vote. The ninth already ruled and the supreme court backed them up. Give it up. Your uphill battle can not be won and Scotch Kirby can't change it.

V

Eventually there will be a vote. It may not be under usapa but there will be a vote. Unless you all want to finish your career on LOA 93. The court can determine what section 29 says. The only thing the court can not do is tell you to vote yes or no.

The only thing the ninth said was it was not ripe.

The only thing the supreme court said was they were not going to look at a ripeness case. The SCOTUS went no further than that. Not taking the case means nothing. They did not "back up" the ninth.

No we are not going to give up. The Nicolau is it. We are winning. You don't have DOH and you are still on LOA 93 and usapa is failing at every turn. We will watch you all walk out of the door on LOA 93 before we give up.

 

[Code Name V]

Eventually there will be a vote. It may not be under usapa but there will be a vote. Unless you all want to finish your career on LOA 93. The court can determine what section 29 says. The only thing the court can not do is tell you to vote yes or no.

The only thing the ninth said was it was not ripe.

The only thing the supreme court said was they were not going to look at a ripeness case. The SCOTUS went no further than that. Not taking the case means nothing. They did not "back up" the ninth.

No we are not going to give up. The Nicolau is it. We are winning. You don't have DOH and you are still on LOA 93 and usapa is failing at every turn. We will watch you all walk out of the door on LOA 93 before we give up.

You're delusional. You haven't won anything and you're uphill battle has not gotten any less steep. Also, like you, we continue to have DOH and will continue to do so and move up accordingly.

You are probably right on the LOA93 thing however. I suspect we have a reasonable chance of modifying it once Kasher rules but it will still be LOA93 so I guess we will have it for years to come. That however means that we will likely not have a contract for a very long time and we will continue to operate separately. That is fine by me.

But hey, hang in there. You are going nowhere fast. Just don't expect a contract and don't expect a vote that contains Nic. Just won't happen. The court can't even force a vote and I seriously doubt we would even get that far. If so, you will need American votes to get the majority and that so far is just a theory. Even if it happens, it is years from reality. So I'll tell you what. We will live on LOA93, hopefully with modifications; and you can live with whatever it is you live with. The way I see it, if you are still around, you will get whatever list you want in about 15 years.

V

 

[Move2CLT]

You're delusional. You haven't won anything and you're uphill battle has not gotten any less steep. Also, like you, we continue to have DOH and will continue to do so and move up accordingly.

You are probably right on the LOA93 thing however. I suspect we have a reasonable chance of modifying it once Kasher rules but it will still be LOA93 so I guess we will have it for years to come. That however means that we will likely not have a contract for a very long time and we will continue to operate separately. That is fine by me.

But hey, hang in there. You are going nowhere fast. Just don't expect a contract and don't expect a vote that contains Nic. Just won't happen. The court can't even force a vote and I seriously doubt we would even get that far. If so, you will need American votes to get the majority and that so far is just a theory. Even if it happens, it is years from reality. So I'll tell you what. We will live on LOA93, hopefully with modifications; and you can live with whatever it is you live with. The way I see it, if you are still around, you will get whatever list you want in about 15 years.

V

LOA 93 with modifications?!? God damn that's funny!

 

[Code Name V]

LOA 93 with modifications?!? God damn that's funny!

Let me reiterate. I forgot Prater was listening. Even if Kasher finds in the pilots favor, It is still LOA93; the payrates are the only thing that changes.
Does that clarify it for you? Sorry, I forgot I was talking to alpa. No common sense required.

V

 

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Preliminary Injunction Covers Individual US Airways Pilots & West Pilots Could Block IBT Merger: October 18, 2011

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[Move2CLT]

Let me reiterate. I forgot Prater was listening. Even if Kasher finds in the pilots favor, It is still LOA93; the payrates are the only thing that changes.
Does that clarify it for you? Sorry, I forgot I was talking to alpa. No common sense required.

V

So you admit that even if you win you still lose, right?

I've been telling you that for a long time. But you're OK with LOA93 regardless so things should be cool.