US Pilots Labor Discussion

[doh nogo]

Whatever happened to EndofALPA? He was supposed to go away to upgrade last summer. Maybe he just went away.

They are falling like flies. EasUS; oldiebutgoodie; EndofALPA; Nostrsadamus; sumadarson; Claxon; apollo... All gone. At least under those names. They hang around spreading their garbage, and disappear when their irrelevance finally sets in.

 

[767jetz]

You would probably like it up there,you would be right at home in the ####.

Awwwwwe... do you miss him already? Nos was one of your heros, wasn't he? A role model perhaps?

 

[767jetz]

What if they have two publicized votes: one that include the Nic, followed by a vote that doesn't. I think we both can guess the outcome of that. If anyone knows the outcome of all of this then they are way too smart to be working here.

This is the typical east frame of mind. You think you will always have a choice between one or the other. Your "publicized votes" idea shows a lack of understanding. You won't ever have a choice to vote on a contract with NIC versus one with DOH/LOS.

If the courts rule that the NIC is it, then the choice will be a contract with NIC, or no contract and the continuation of LOA 93 indefinitely. Once the court rules, if it's in favor of NIC, do you think rational pilots will vote themselves out of a raise and contract knowing there is no other option?

 

[cleardirect]

This is the typical east frame of mind. You think you will always have a choice between one or the other. Your "publicized votes" idea shows a lack of understanding. You won't ever have a choice to vote on a contract with NIC versus one with DOH/LOS.

If the courts rule that the NIC is it, then the choice will be a contract with NIC, or no contract and the continuation of LOA 93 indefinitely. Once the court rules, if it's in favor of NIC, do you think rational pilots will vote themselves out of a raise and contract knowing there is no other option?

Are you using rational and east pilots in the same sentence?

 

[767jetz]

Are you using rational and east pilots in the same sentence?

Sorry. My bad. 😉

 

[HPearlyretiree]

No desperation here. Frankly, most of us don't care, knowing that DOH will win out.

Had ALPA followed rules and ethics, we would have a merged contract by now. The west's insistence on cashing their fraudulently obtained lottery ticket has only delayed the inevitable.

Good luck, little girl.

Awww, you need a hug.

 

[HPearlyretiree]

Yep and when he makes his unfounded allegation I'll be up his arse again. I'm not letting him breathe on that one. I took way to much heat now it's coming back his way.

The man is about as sharp as a bowling ball

And, you made the unfounded allegations in the FIRST place. Remember. So, next time you potentially libel someone...we will be up your ass again.

You are just as guilty. At least (this time) you learned your lesson, but, I expect massive fail from you again.

 

[Move2CLT]

They are falling like flies. EasUS; oldiebutgoodie; EndofALPA; Nostrsadamus; sumadarson; Claxon; apollo... All gone. At least under those names. They hang around spreading their garbage, and disappear when their irrelevance finally sets in.

Was eastus the one who wanted to dog fight everyone?

 

[Move2CLT]

No desperation here. Frankly, most of us don't care, knowing that DOH will win out.

Had ALPA followed rules and ethics, we would have a merged contract by now. The west's insistence on cashing their fraudulently obtained lottery ticket has only delayed the inevitable.

Good luck, little girl.

Fraudulently obtained?

I don't remember one eastie complaining during the process. Only when they didn't get their way did it become "fraudulent".

 

[cynic]

The only people saying the rules were not followed are you east guys. ALPA said the rules were followed. Even your own neutral on the panel said the rules were followed.

If there was fraud you guys should have done something about it during the arbitration or 6 months after. Complaining 4 years later is weak.

Got any proof of fraud other than you don't like the result?
Talk about being a little girl.

That would rather accuse people of committing a felony against them than admit they aren't being reasonable.

 

[Rookie Jr]

Kirby was correct about the 18 month “minimum.” He neglects to tell you there is currently no court order or even court procedure going on right now that prevents US Airways from settling a contract/section 22 with the pilots, and a vote taking place that would ratify it. And of course the "ripe" situation after said ratification. Had management really been concerned about liability they would have been front and center with Judge Wake. After years of saying they were not going to get involved, they did. At great expense to us all.

Let me ask..are you saying that with M & A activity Doug and Scott would also be willing to sit back and "wait" for the court process (my guess is 3 years by the time it goes to the 9th, back to Judge Silver, back to the 9th, and eventually at least another knock on the door at SCOTUS) and miss their big payout? No way Jose'.

Great risk ahead, some it self inflicted, on the West side right now. More to come on that shortly from a scholar much smarter than me (and that is really saying something!)

Does your 99.99% figure include your 4-500 non members?

RR

We are willing to wait, espesiclly the non members of which I am one. You are right, the company can make it happen today. Too bad for the east the company has signed a document already accepting the Nic and because they are concerned about liability have no other way to go.

 

[Reed Richards]

From Section II of LOA 10 over at SWA/AirTran:

"These
conditions and restrictions shall continue in full force and effect, notwithstanding any
subsequent acquisition, merger or other corporate transaction affecting any pilots on the
combined AirTran-Southwest seniority list, and without regard to any subsequent (A)
agreement between Southwest and its pilots (whether reached during Section 6 negotiations or
otherwise); (B) change in collective bargaining representative of the AirTran or Southwest
pilots; or (C) sale or corporate transaction involving the ownership or control of Southwest or
AirTran. This Agreement is binding on the successors and assigns of the parties."

Even ALPA now acknowledges their failings. Why do they even need this language? Ferris, Ferris..anyone?

RR

 

[Code Name V]

and, the teamsters of the 2010 are the same as the teamster of 1980? Are you totally stupid?

I know for a fact that the teamsters today are much more professional and knowledgeable about union affairs than either ALPA or AFA.

My implication is that people like you have no idea what you are talking about.

I am not saying the pilots should go with the teamsters. I am just saying that pilots with cranial tumors exhibit the same crippled mental symptoms, as say, Boingo.

Actually IClub, I am somewhat disappointed that the Teamsters have become so 'professional'. While there was a time when I would never have even considered any association whatsoever; from what I have witnessed over the years, we are dealing with Organized Crime here at USAir. And from my perspective, the best way to deal with organized crime is with organized crime. Now that the Teamsters are 'professional' they may lack the tools and drive necessary to deal with these corporate thieves. In a word, they just might not be tough enough anymore.

USAirways has driven unionism back to the dark ages. As such, they invite old style Teamster tactics that may no longer exist. Regardless, if Kasher does not come in with a positive result for the pilots; I think we will see the Teamsters overnight. Not that they can get a contract sooner but because of the pressure they can instill on this divisive management. With 450 attorneys in their fold, and the experience they bring plus the retirement plans that they can offer; it will be something to consider. I'm sure USAir managment would love to see this development.


V

 

[767jetz]

Was eastus the one who wanted to dog fight everyone?

Sure was! That was some of the funniest (pathetic) $h1t I've ever read around here! B)

 

[Res Judicata]

From Section II of LOA 10 over at SWA/AirTran:

"These
conditions and restrictions shall continue in full force and effect, notwithstanding any
subsequent acquisition, merger or other corporate transaction affecting any pilots on the
combined AirTran-Southwest seniority list, and without regard to any subsequent (A)
agreement between Southwest and its pilots (whether reached during Section 6 negotiations or
otherwise); (B) change in collective bargaining representative of the AirTran or Southwest
pilots; or (C) sale or corporate transaction involving the ownership or control of Southwest or
AirTran. This Agreement is binding on the successors and assigns of the parties."

Even ALPA now acknowledges their failings. Why do they even need this language? Ferris, Ferris..anyone?

RR

Because it's easier to simply state the obvious and memorialize it in a contract instead of losing billions of dollars in lost pay and benefits for over a decade to prove the obvious to the thick headed USAPA idiots in Federal Court.