US Pilots Labor Discussion

[A320 Driver]

Is this from the same source that said Nicolau was going to use LOS?
That makes the 330 about $195. If that is the case where do you think the next 330 flying is going to go? To the guys getting $190 or the guys getting $160?

Right where it is now. You think management will want to build and staff another A330 Training Dept? It's a LOT more invovled than giving a few West pilots a type rating.

Driver

 

[luvn737s]

Right where it is now. You think management will want to build and staff another A330 Training Dept? It's a LOT more invovled than giving a few West pilots a type rating.

Driver

You're right. First you get a couple west check airmen 330 type ratings. And then open a satellite base in PHL for west pilots.

 

[cleardirect]

Right where it is now. You think management will want to build and staff another A330 Training Dept? It's a LOT more invovled than giving a few West pilots a type rating.

Driver

Why would we need to build a training dept? Single certificate, single training system. We are already using the CLT training center. The only thing we need is a couple checkman and sim time. The ground school trainers would be the same. We have guys flying ETOPS so no problem there.

Differences training is short from 320 to 330. What's the problem?

 

[A320 Driver]

Why would we need to build a training dept? Single certificate, single training system. We are already using the CLT training center. The only thing we need is a couple checkman and sim time. The ground school trainers would be the same. We have guys flying ETOPS so no problem there.

Differences training is short from 320 to 330. What's the problem?

Bring that up at the next Crew News and see the reponse you get.

 

[mrbreeze]

You're right. First you get a couple west check airmen 330 type ratings. And then open a satellite base in PHL for west pilots.

The thing I remember about you from when we met in 2007, was that you were upset about how the NIC kept you out of the top 517 positions, thus not allowing you to move into the 330 and shortening your commute since you live on the East coast. You never discussed anything that was relevant to the rest of the SLI, whether it be East or West, including your co-workers in PHX. The West boys need to understand where your loyalty lies.....just with you.

Dream on, pal.

breeze

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Why would we need to build a training dept? Single certificate, single training system. We are already using the CLT training center. The only thing we need is a couple checkman and sim time. The ground school trainers would be the same. We have guys flying ETOPS so no problem there.

Differences training is short from 320 to 330. What's the problem?

DREAM ON!

 

[cleardirect]

DREAM ON!

Unless you have something to add. Stay out of the conversation.

What part is a dream? Those are the facts. Care to reply with something bordering on intelligent thought?

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Unless you have something to add. Stay out of the conversation.

What part is a dream? Those are the facts. Care to reply with something bordering on intelligent thought?

ADD THIS, "DREAM ON!" Fact is you have no list won't ever have a combined list and gambled and lost, 2 mill I might add, just the fact's! Unless you can bring something more to the table your screwed!

 

[mrbreeze]

Why would we need to build a training dept? Single certificate, single training system. We are already using the CLT training center. The only thing we need is a couple checkman and sim time. The ground school trainers would be the same. We have guys flying ETOPS so no problem there.

Differences training is short from 320 to 330. What's the problem?

clear,

you may have good points there, however, with the Tempe Team focused on finding the most cost savings in operating this airline, they will only do whatever lines their pockets. Why spend the money on training the West pilots for 330 Pacific ops when they can staff it out of PHL/CLT for just the cost of hotel rooms?

It may be a bit of a toss up at some point, but they certainly will not be "fair" to one pilot group over the other....it's all about raking in the dough for themselves, unfortunately. They don't give a damn about you and I.

breeze

 

[traderjake]

Why spend the money on training the West pilots for 330 Pacific ops when they can staff it out of PHL/CLT for just the cost of hotel rooms?

So they can operate the 330s with West pilots if USAPA ever tries to strike over a DOH contract.

 

[BoeingBoy]

just the fact's! Unless you can bring something more to the table your screwed!

Would you even know a fact if it walked up and slapped you in the face?

Bring more to the table? Let's see:

Completed integrated list arrived at by an arbitrator after hearing evidence from both side: check.
Plentiful evidence that USAPA wants to change that list merely to improve the careers of the east at the expense of the west: check.
Legal determination of exactly when a DFR suit will be ripe: check.
Outcome of the previous DFR suit, dismissed for ripeness only, not merit: check.

On the other side, easties claim:

Parker just wants a list, any list.
USAPA is free to negotiate their list as the basis of section 22.
The 9th side "wide range of reasonableness" and all that.

So why wasn't section 22 closed long ago??? It sounds simple - USAPA gives Parker a list, Parker accepts it, the 9th rules "no foul", voila - section 22 is done.

Sounds like USAPA is bringing a rusty pocket knife to WWIII...

Jim

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[BoeingBoy]

Why spend the money on training the West pilots for 330 Pacific ops when they can staff it out of PHL/CLT for just the cost of hotel rooms?

Who said anything about Pacific ops? Try TLV, ATH, AMS - you know, places in Europe (or S America). There is not a single thing stopping the westies from flying about half the European operation except training. You're right - all the company cares about is cost. If east gets $190 or higher on the 330, who are the cheaper pilots? Hint: the west pilots. So why wouldn't the company have the west pilots fly all the 330's they're able to to every destination they can under the TA?

Jim

 

[luvn737s]

The thing I remember about you from when we met in 2007, was that you were upset about how the NIC kept you out of the top 517 positions, thus not allowing you to move into the 330 and shortening your commute since you live on the East coast. You never discussed anything that was relevant to the rest of the SLI, whether it be East or West, including your co-workers in PHX. The West boys need to understand where your loyalty lies.....just with you.

Dream on, pal.

breeze

Nope, I've never met you. You have me confused with someone else. As I've said before all I want is more money and for USAPA to be held accountable for their actions and if that means their total and unequivocal removal from power, that's a bonus.

 

[Black Swan]

You are actually correct, it is not "fradulent" but it is not final and binding either. Even your ole pal Jeffrey Fruend says so...

In the DC Distric Court, filed on 7/24/2007, in an action between the US Airways ALPA MEC and the AWA ALPA MEC, just a few months after the Nicolau award had been awarded Jeff stated:

The "arbitration award" plaintiffs seek to "vacate" is in actuality the proposed pilot seniority list developed thruough ALPA merger policy that ALPA will adopt as its bargaining position to be presented to the company, but which (like a union position on any matter) the company is not required to accept."

Later in the brief he stated;

"Plaintiff's application to "vacate"an "arbitration award" that does not establish any enforceable seniority rights in a collective bargaining agreement with the company but merely sets out ALPA's bargaining position to be presented to the company"

Al, save your breath. They are totally clueless on this issue and ripeness. What will be hammered into their collective reality is a group 2 Capt rate of a MINIMUM of 173.60 and a 330 rate north of 200. Any day now. Think any East pilot will be willing to share after that? Nic and Leonidas DOA.......

 

[Black Swan]

Those are the May 2012 rates