US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Rookie Jr]

I will say the desperation has increased quite a bit in the west in the last few weeks as they know the end is near for them. It's all going to be fine kids.

It's funny. We on the west see it as you being the desperate ones. After all, we are not the ones crying for compromise and to move on. We're the ones stating we will stay the course and let the courts decide.

Desperation? Hardly.

PS: You just fired the one and only attorney who promised that the Nic could be overturned.
You just dropped the RICO suit (your attempt at leverage against the west pilots).
The company won a court injunction against you to prevent an upcoming meltdown.
Union elections are coming up soon.

 

[Black Swan]

I think you're wrong, but only because the court won't create a solution. Barring a change in USAPA, the courts will "dictate" that either the Nic must be used or that USAPA is free to negotiate a list with the company (not that I think that precedent is good - do you want the company involved in seniority integrations in the future?). Of course, if USAPA is free to negotiate seniority with the company, the result will be subject to two factors - the company's desired outcome and the union's DFR responsibilities, so if the result isn't the Nic you all could be right back in court.

Jim

A court, the Desert Judge's did say the Nic had to be used. Then it went to the higher and highest, which said it did not. You perpetuate this garbage over and over because your reading comprehension must really be bad. One more time, for the painfully slow. The 9th ruled already, this is THEIR quote. Hint, it is in the last line. So again Jim, Boeing Boy, If the higher court said it does NOT have to be used, do you think that might mean it does not have to be used?


[8] Plaintiffs seek to escape this conclusion by framing
their harm as the lost opportunity to have a CBA implement-
ing the Nicolau Award put to a ratification vote. Because
merely putting a CBA effectuating the Nicolau Award to a
ratification vote will not itself alleviate the West Pilots fur-
loughs, Plaintiffs have not identified a sufficiently concrete
injury.2 Additionally, USAPA’s final proposal may yet be one
that does not work the disadvantages Plaintiffs fear, even if
that proposal is not the Nicolau Award.3



Thus, even under the district court’s injunc-
tion mandating USAPA to pursue the Nicolau Award, it is
uncertain that the West Pilots’ preferred seniority system ever
would be effectuated.

 

[cleardirect]

A court, the Desert Judge's did say the Nic had to be used. Then it went to the higher and highest, which said it did not. You perpetuate this garbage over and over because your reading comprehension must really be bad. One more time, for the painfully slow. The 9th ruled already, this is THEIR quote. Hint, it is in the last line. So again Jim, Boeing Boy, If the higher court said it does NOT have to be used, do you think that might mean it does not have to be used?


[8] Plaintiffs seek to escape this conclusion by framing
their harm as the lost opportunity to have a CBA implement-
ing the Nicolau Award put to a ratification vote. Because
merely putting a CBA effectuating the Nicolau Award to a
ratification vote will not itself alleviate the West Pilots fur-
loughs, Plaintiffs have not identified a sufficiently concrete
injury.2 Additionally, USAPA’s final proposal may yet be one
that does not work the disadvantages Plaintiffs fear, even if
that proposal is not the Nicolau Award.3



Thus, even under the district court’s injunc-
tion mandating USAPA to pursue the Nicolau Award, it is
uncertain that the West Pilots’ preferred seniority system ever
would be effectuated.

Talk about lack of reading comprehension. The only thing the ninth ruled on was ripeness. The supreme court did not rule they just did not take the case.

The ninth said that it does not have to be the Nicolau if it does not do the harm the west fears. Does DOH harm the west yes. Do the C&R protect the west like Nicolau no. Does a fence harm the west yes. So far I have not seen anything from usapa that does not do the harm that we fear. So that pretty much means the only thing that does not harm the west is the Nicolau. Easy step of logic. that seniority list has to be Nicolau or it harms us and you lose.

So what do you have to offer the west that does not do the harm that the ninth recognized? Anything?

 

[traderjake]

So what do you have to offer the west that does not do the harm that the ninth recognized? Anything?

USAPA could staple the East pilots to the bottom of the West list or they could order the list by yearly salary.

That would not be the Nicolau Award and would not harm the West.

 

[luvthe9]

Will all you clowns stop with the NIC stuff, it's gone and not coming back. I think there is some good news very soon for the east let's concentrate on that. Yo, Trader I know your are not going to take the money, right remember your integrity.

 

[traderjake]

Will all you clowns stop with the NIC stuff, it's gone and not coming back.

Still waiting for one of your predictions to be right.

 

[Black Swan]

Talk about lack of reading comprehension. The only thing the ninth ruled on was ripeness. The supreme court did not rule they just did not take the case.

The ninth said that it does not have to be the Nicolau if it does not do the harm the west fears. Does DOH harm the west yes. Do the C&R protect the west like Nicolau no. Does a fence harm the west yes. So far I have not seen anything from usapa that does not do the harm that we fear. So that pretty much means the only thing that does not harm the west is the Nicolau. Easy step of logic. that seniority list has to be Nicolau or it harms us and you lose.

So what do you have to offer the west that does not do the harm that the ninth recognized? Anything?

Yes, that is true.They only actually ruled on the ripeness, as that was the item to be dealt with. But in saying the case was not ripe, they also said it might possibly NOT ever be ripe, because your imagined Nic or nothing was clearly dealt with by them, and they made it 1000% clear not using it may not damage you. You continue to use your myopic tunnel vision and link the Nic with damage, mutually inclusive. A totally incorrect linkage and leap. They make it absolutely clear and direct to the rest of us who can read, that there are a myriad of solutions that may be used other than the Nic and they most likely will not be the damage you carry around like the holy grail. Speaking of damage, even the company management pilots are starting to realize the Kasher decision is coming our way. Good thing there is an injunction in place. We would hate to see the West pilots start to damage the operation when they are the lowest paid out there again.You all were warned at Wye River, and again about the pay parity issue. Looks like pay disparity with us ended Dec 31 2009. All those taunts about LOA 93, just a lot of hot air.........

 

[luvthe9]

Still waiting for one of your predictions to be right.

It's a coming dude, now are your going to accept the money that USAPA has gotten for you? that would make you quite the hypocrite, let's see those true colors (green).

 

[traderjake]

It's a coming dude, now are your going to accept the money that USAPA has gotten for you? that would make you quite the hypocrite, let's see those true colors (green).

I've answered that question twice already but I know you're a little slow so here goes.

I course I'm going to take any money that's due me.

Exactly how does that make me a hypocrite?

Did USAPA write the LOA 93 "Freeze" language?

Is USAPA going to keep the agency fee I've been paying for 3 years?

A LOA 93 win does not make USAPA any less unethical.

 

[traderjake]

Speaking of damage, even the company management pilots are starting to realize the Kasher decision is coming our way. Good thing there is an injunction in place. We would hate to see the West pilots start to damage the operation when they are the lowest paid out there again.

Talk about being delusional, you're starting to make MM look rational

 

[luvthe9]

We would hate to see the West pilots start to damage the operation when they are the lowest paid out there again.You all were warned at Wye River, and again about the pay parity issue. Looks like pay disparity with us ended Dec 31 2009. All those taunts about LOA 93, just a lot of hot air.........

Will have to keep our eye on the westies to make sure they don't screw up oru fine operation. 😉

 

[lynyrdskynyrd]

Ok, who did this? Man that was nice.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lowrM-780tg

 

[Iclubbabyseals]

I course I'm going to take any money that's due me.

Even if gotten unethically? I think that is what he is saying.

You persist in making this an issue of morality, not legality, so he was responding to you in like manner. Try to stay on topic. For once.

Did USAPA write the LOA 93 "Freeze" language?

East pilots did, not ALPA, not USAPA. You know, the same pilots who voted ALPA off the property. It was the pilots most critical of both ALPA and the present USAPA who are responsible for the grievance. ALPA said nothing.

 

[traderjake]

Even if gotten unethically? I think that is what he is saying.

What about the LOA 93 arbitration is unethical?

I think what you mean is "Even if gotten by an unethical group".

Try to make a coherent argument for once.

 

[Barrister]

I think you're wrong, but only because the court won't create a solution. Barring a change in USAPA, the courts will "dictate" that either the Nic must be used or that USAPA is free to negotiate a list with the company (not that I think that precedent is good - do you want the company involved in seniority integrations in the future?). Of course, if USAPA is free to negotiate seniority with the company, the result will be subject to two factors - the company's desired outcome and the union's DFR responsibilities, so if the result isn't the Nic you all could be right back in court.

Jim

So genius is the courts read the 9th opinion and says nic doesn't have to be used then what is the basis for the DFR.
The test will then be WIDE RANGE OF REASONABELNESS then will the argument be well it's a DFR cause it ain't reasonable if ya don't use nic????
And on and on and on!!!!!

Go to night school and learn somethig will ya!!

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