US Pilots Labor Discussion

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

This arbitration was persued in a disingenous attempt to gain leverage and force an unrelated issue.

It is no more ethical than say a false accusation of sexual harassment against an employer as retribution.

The scabs don't like that the company told them to pound sand over the seniority issue, so they trumped up something to go after the company with to mitigate permanent seperate ops and/or in case of one in a million golden bb, have the company in a compromised position. Problem is for them, that golden bb hits, and it will ricochet back and put more than their eye out.

usapa itself is nothing more than an unethical scab outfit, so everbody pretty much expects this behavior.

Integrity Matters...usapa has none...so, expect every usapa persuit to be a failure, including the unethical LOA93 grievence.


I am not saying you should not take any money awarded you from this grievence. You're 100% correct in your statement that usapa is not going to return the agency fees they require you to pay, and extort the West into paying.

REALLY, LIKE WAKE WASN'T, THIS TIME THE SLOT'S HIT!

 

[nic4us]

Uh....you opine it was right after the merger, and then ask if it is a 200 or 300. A most disingenuous question. What is your real motive here other than to praise MM's wonderful piloting?

And yes, the grievance was only filed to slow up the merger and the seniority integration. Yeah, that's the ticket.

RR

I have always liked MM!!

Every now and then it cracks me up that I am the only poster that understands what the heck he is posting about...kind of scary!!

So of course I would praise his terrific landing.

A far as which were delivered pre and post merger, I don't even know that. All I know is you have more than twice what you had pre-merger, and that all growth flying was supposed to be shared. So the fact that MM proudly pointed out, that we know it was not a West pilot, is just more evidence that he supports the scab tactics of usapa.

Which BTW, is of course the reason for their filing the LOA93 grievence.

 

[nic4us]

REALLY, LIKE WAKE WASN'T, THIS TIME THE SLOT'S HIT!

No MM, Wake was not disingenous. Jury pretty much proved that!!

Oh, BTW, slots hit all the time. Typical payout ratios are in the 98-99% range. Really bad metaphor for LOA93.

What did Kirby say??? What is a number very close to zero"?


One more thing....What was it you said about words just being symbols? Seriously, that was classic, and I want to use it, so could you share that gem again, please?

 

[lynyrdskynyrd]

I have always liked MM!!

I have always liked him to, he cracks me up alot of times.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

I have always liked MM!!

Every now and then it cracks me up that I am the only poster that understands what the heck he is posting about...kind of scary!!

So of course I would praise his terrific landing.

A far as which were delivered pre and post merger, I don't even know that. All I know is you have more than twice what you had pre-merger, and that all growth flying was supposed to be shared. So the fact that MM proudly pointed out, that we know it was not a West pilot, is just more evidence that he supports the scab tactics of usapa.

Which BTW, is of course the reason for their filing the LOA93 grievence.

SCAB TACTICS, DEFINE SCAB!, I PAID ALPA TO SUPPORT A CAL STRIKE, AND YOU CALL ME A SCAB, AND YOU WONDER A-HOLE!

 

[BoeingBoy]

Actually this was my landing!

But you said "your" helicopter was white...

Jim

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

But you said "your" helicopter was white...

Jim

Which one, we have alot of them!

 

[BoeingBoy]

You and the mouse in your pocket? "Your's" is white changes to "we" have a lot of them. Sounds like moonlighting to me...or RC models. Whatsa matter, LOA 93 not enough after all?

Jim

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

You and the mouse in your pocket? "Your's" is white changes to "we" have a lot of them. Sounds like moonlighting to me...or RC models. Whatsa matter, LOA 93 not enough after all?

Jim

JIMBO, No RC, wish I had the time, those guys do amaze me, Mouse in my pocket? Useing the education and skills, I was given, the lessons learned from the ole US MILITARY , and doing what EVERY EAST PILOT WILL do to protect himself, in other words, AS they say, "THE BUCK STOPS HERE"! I COUNT ON NO ONE FOR MY NEXT PAYCHECK, as most my EAST BROTHERS!

 

[BoeingBoy]

Yeah, yeah. LOA 93, military pension, PBGC, wildly successful business on the side, and still time for a hobby... As I've said before, it's a lot easier to keep you story straight if you stick to the truth...

Jim

 

[eastcoast]

Just seems odd to accept all that money from a group that you have been flapping your mouth off in a very negitave way and then turn around and take the money,

It's a coming dude, now are your going to accept the money that USAPA has gotten for you? that would make you quite the hypocrite,

It's pilots like you who have given us the scarlet letter we live with.

USAPA has backed us into a corner with no way out and did so by instilling false hope from day one. Only the most myopic among us don't know this to be true. Of course we will take any financial relief we can get, considering it is the fault of our misled union that we have not enjoyed any improvements in years, are stuck in a seemingly endless war with our west counterparts, we live with an injunction from a half baked "safety" campaign, and our dues are spent at the whim of one dictator.

I bet you didn't complain when you "accepted" parity+1, compliments of the same evil ALPA you've been bad mouthing since the arbitration didn't go our way. Sounds to me like you are the hypocrite. The only thing worse than the MEC who shackled our NC during arbitration is the BPR we are stuck with now, and some of the folks around here who like to think they speak the voice of us all.

 

[BoeingBoy]

Careful eastcoast, I hear the sound of incoming...

Jim

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

It's pilots like you who have given us the scarlet letter we live with.

USAPA has backed us into a corner with no way out and did so by instilling false hope from day one. Only the most myopic among us don't know this to be true. Of course we will take any financial relief we can get, considering it is the fault of our misled union that we have not enjoyed any improvements in years, are stuck in a seemingly endless war with our west counterparts, we live with an injunction from a half baked "safety" campaign, and our dues are spent at the whim of one dictator.

I bet you didn't complain when you "accepted" parity+1, compliments of the same evil ALPA you've been bad mouthing since the arbitration didn't go our way. Sounds to me like you are the hypocrite. The only thing worse than the MEC who shackled our NC during arbitration is the BPR we are stuck with now, and some of the folks around here who like to think they speak the voice of us all.

I give, now your based in PHX pretending to be an EAST pilot, good luck with that, not even credible, get another computer and try again!

 

[Reed Richards]

It's pilots like you who have given us the scarlet letter we live with.

USAPA has backed us into a corner with no way out and did so by instilling false hope from day one. Only the most myopic among us don't know this to be true. Of course we will take any financial relief we can get, considering it is the fault of our misled union that we have not enjoyed any improvements in years, are stuck in a seemingly endless war with our west counterparts, we live with an injunction from a half baked "safety" campaign, and our dues are spent at the whim of one dictator.

I bet you didn't complain when you "accepted" parity+1, compliments of the same evil ALPA you've been bad mouthing since the arbitration didn't go our way. Sounds to me like you are the hypocrite. The only thing worse than the MEC who shackled our NC during arbitration is the BPR we are stuck with now, and some of the folks around here who like to think they speak the voice of us all.

How was the Wx in PHX today?

Parity+1 paid out for two months. My last real "improvement" was under Wolf and ALPA in the late 90s. USAPA still has a way to go before matching the ensuing run of bad luck under ALPA.

RR

 

[BoeingBoy]

The west contract does not allow for bumping unless their is a displacement bid (so-called reduction bid). No bid without vacancies. I would bet this provision remains in any JCBA.

PI was the same. Believe it or not, the east contract, at least as far back as the US/PI merger, allows bumping and vacancy bidding at the same time in the same base/equip/seat.

Jim