US Pilots Labor Discussion

[BoeingBoy]

Parity+1 paid out for two months.

14 months. There was a parity+1% raise in 2001 and another in 2002. The second was ended by the pre-bankruptcy 1 concessions - ratified by the pilots, I might add. Since clubbie and Phoenix have been silent on the issue since asked, would you like to name one concession that wasn't voted in by the east pilots on the MEC or the east rank and file?

Jim

 

[Phoenix]

How was the Wx in PHX today?

Parity+1 paid out for two months. My last real "improvement" was under Wolf and ALPA in the late 90s. USAPA still has a way to go before matching the ensuing run of bad luck under ALPA.

RR

How was the Wx in CLT? 😀 It is refreshing that you are one of the pilots that give us a good name of credibility by actually spelling Wolf's name without a damn "e" at the end. Oh, and yes ALPA sucked... and it is hilarious that folks try to tell us how much USAPA sucks by supposedly presenting evidence that USAPA is just like ALPA, the epitome of a shity union.

 

[Reed Richards]

14 months. There was a parity+1% raise in 2001 and another in 2002. The second was ended by the pre-bankruptcy 1 concessions - ratified by the pilots, I might add. Since clubbie and Phoenix have been silent on the issue since asked, would you like to name one concession that wasn't voted in by the east pilots on the MEC or the east rank and file?

Jim

Nice of your to cover all the bases with an "or." how can I give you an example outside that range? My retirement was given away by ALPA and my corrupt reps with no membership vote.

As to to parity+ you know exactly which bump I refer to.

Wait a minute, there was one special vote that took place without ALPA or the corrupt reps having a say. April 18, 2008. But you have me..that was not a concession.

RR

 

[icehead]

Gotta admit that was nice.

Yes, that was....

 

[icehead]

Yes, that was....

 

[Phoenix]

Nice of your to cover all the bases with an "or." how can I give you an example outside that range? My retirement was given away by ALPA and my corrupt reps with no membership vote.

As to to parity+ you know exactly which bump I refer to.

Wait a minute, there was one special vote that took place without ALPA or the corrupt reps having a say. April 18, 2008. But you have me..that was not a concession.

RR

"or"... much like Clinton's "is". 😀

And don't forget the time we didn't vote to remove Lance and Marshall from office, because they and the ALPA elitists prevented a recall vote. Yeah, not a concession. But I like his argument. We sucked, We were ALPA, ergo ALPA sucked!

 

[BoeingBoy]

Nice of your to cover all the bases with an "or." how can I give you an example outside that range? My retirement was given away by ALPA and my corrupt reps with no membership vote.

Hardly covering all the bases, just pointing out the truth. I take it you can't name a concession that wasn't voted in by East pilots...

As to to parity+ you know exactly which bump I refer to.

Nope, I don't do mind reading. "Parity+" wasn't a single event but rather a method of calculating the pay rates annually under the contract (superceded by the concessions). As such, there were two "parity+" raises, as I said. If you truly don't believe the first one counted, perhaps you'd like to give it back...

Jim

 

[cleardirect]

Nice of your to cover all the bases with an "or." how can I give you an example outside that range? My retirement was given away by ALPA and my corrupt reps with no membership vote.

As to to parity+ you know exactly which bump I refer to.

Wait a minute, there was one special vote that took place without ALPA or the corrupt reps having a say. April 18, 2008. But you have me..that was not a concession.

RR

Was there a vote by the membership to pursue the LOA 93 grievance? If not does it not count if you win or lose? The deal with unions is the members put our trust and our "power of attorney" in their hands. If they make a decision it binds us. With or with out a vote.

Was the pension given away by ALPA or taken by the BK court? Does it matter? It is still gone.

Did you guys get a vote on sticking with DOH during the arbitration or not? Did you guys get a vote on who the lawyer was going to be? Did you guys get a vote to keep or get rid of Seham? Seems your reps decide a lot of things with out your votes.

 

[Move2CLT]

I have always liked him to, he cracks me up alot of times.

He's funny like that monkey flinging his own poo sort of way.

 

[Move2CLT]

SCAB TACTICS, DEFINE SCAB!, I PAID ALPA TO SUPPORT A CAL STRIKE, AND YOU CALL ME A SCAB, AND YOU WONDER A-HOLE!

You're paying USAPA to do the same.

And you elect them to represent you on top of that!

 

[A320 Driver]

I think the first time I saw that video was immediatley post merger, when we got the new paint scheme.

From the quality of the footage, and the copyright data in the lower right corner, (Lowe) I am betting it was performed by one of Airbus' pilots or test pilots during delivery phase to take promotional footage with our new paint scheme.

Since that aircraft is an A330-300, that is completely impossible. Airbus hasn't had it's hands on one of our -300s in a dozen years.

Driver <_<

 

[A320 Driver]

Just curious - as long as you're "just saying it like it happened" what did ALPA do? Terminate the pension - east pilots. LOA 84 - east pilots. LOA 93 - east pilots. Allow the sale of the 170's out from under the MDA pilots - east pilots. Accept the MDA "Eagle" contract for MDA - east pilots. Ratify the E190 pay - east pilots. Relax scope in the TA - east pilots. Have a merger policy you now disagree with - oh, you excepted that. I can't think of anything ALPA did...as long as you're "just saying it like it happened."

Jim

Wished us dead...
That is enough for me.

Driver <_<

 

[A320 Driver]

So I guess giving away a perfectly good pension without a vote is not a concession! !

1. If it was "perfectly good", then why did ERISA kick in? The validity of which is only now being called into question.
2. The ATSB said we could not have the loan with the pilot DB plan hanging over the company's head.
3. The bankruptcy judge, Judge Mitchell I believe, said we could NOT exit bankruptcy with the DB plan intact. But he also said he would not take it by force. We had to decide whether we wanted to continue as a going concern.

IMO, the vote was ceremonial at best. The great majority of East pilots wanted to keep their jobs. Fact is, the pension was lost months earlier when the MEC decided to sit on information provided them by members of the negotiating committee, that the plan was in jeopardy and a freeze was still an option for a limited time.
Had the vote not been taken that night, we wouldn't be here now. Had the MEC that followed during the seniority negotiations had that kind of courage, we could have negotiated a reasonable seniority integration (assuming the West pilots negotiated with the same level of commitment to a settlement).

Driver <_<

 

[Phoenix]

1. If it was "perfectly good", then why did ERISA kick in? The validity of which is only now being called into question.
2. The ATSB said we could not have the loan with the pilot DB plan hanging over the company's head.
3. The bankruptcy judge, Judge Mitchell I believe, said we could NOT exit bankruptcy with the DB plan intact. But he also said he would not take it by force. We had to decide whether we wanted to continue as a going concern.

IMO, the vote was ceremonial at best. The great majority of East pilots wanted to keep their jobs. Fact is, the pension was lost months earlier when the MEC decided to sit on information provided them by members of the negotiating committee, that the plan was in jeopardy and a freeze was still an option for a limited time.
Had the vote not been taken that night, we wouldn't be here now. Had the MEC that followed during the seniority negotiations had that kind of courage, we could have negotiated a reasonable seniority integration (assuming the West pilots negotiated with the same level of commitment to a settlement).

Driver <_<

ALPA's MO is always to yell "The sky is falling, the sky is falling!",and "The membership isn't smart enough to be trusted to vote correctly on things while the sky is falling." What's new?

 

[A320 Driver]

ALPA's MO is always to yell "The sky is falling, the sky is falling!",and "The membership isn't smart enough to be trusted to vote correctly on things while the sky is falling." What's new?

"What's new" is a Federal Bankruptcy Judge telling you that we would NOT exit bankruptcy and the ATSB telling you that they will not give you the money to exit bankruptcy. You and many others cried fowl over the vote but you know that it would have passed anyway. I guess you have to blame somebody for it.

Driver