US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Black Swan]

1. Yes it has a date! We can all read the date! The date means the FREEZE expires on that date. What it does not mean is that the reduction in rates "as frozen" majically reverts to a former rate. Like all RLA contracts, what you have is an amendable date.

2.What I have to do with "your" rates is that we both work for LCC, and while you and usapa try every lowlife tactic in the book to aquire something that is not yours, you are harming the company I work for, the pilot group I work in, and the industry in general. So, I am not butting out. I will continue to be very vocal about what a scumbag organization usapa is, and what lowlife scabs its supporters have proven themselves to be.

3. Have done my time, earned my spot, and lo and behold some east scab with less LOS that was furloughed on the PID wants to jump in front of me, and if he can't have that he wants to f' over the company. So, blow your SOCIALISM BS out your a$$ and go talk to your scab buddies over at usapa about how they are going to get out the injunction they brough upon themselves with another one of their lets teach everybody how big of scabs we can be campaigns.

4. If you don't care what I think.....quit replying to my posts.

5. No matter what happens in the LOA93 grievence,,,its all good for the West, so there is indeed going to be a reversal of fortune.

So I guess every time a pilot is equipment FROZEN, he has to NEGOTIATE his way out, maybe seek arbitration. When he is FROZEN in his last base bid, for company convenience, he has to NEGOTIATE to get out of it. Give me a break, you have worked for that dirtbag company so long it has gone to your head. Fortunately for us, it seems Kasher is not buying the dirtbag scenario you and Gordon Gecko dreamed up. He will see the thieves and their minions tried to pull the scam two years too long. Madoff Air is going to get tripped up. Can't wait until the first question comes up at the shareholders meeting and someone asks why the company didn't offer a lower rate that both sides would have taken. Now, they are going to be stuck with the much higher rate for a long, long time with no way up for you, and no way out for them.

 

[Move2CLT]

Spoken like someone who thinks he has control over us. We file for ourselves. None of your business. Your Leonidas group has taken you into the kill zone. What do they say about the new pay rates for the East?

We do have control over you. Weve prevented you from submitting a DOH list and have not allowed you to move off LOA 93 with a new contract.

We've kept you guys pinned to the bottom since we merged.

And now you're in a legal battle with your former lawyer and architect of your DOH fight. And you're looking to merge with the IBT because USAPA is too weak to even hold off AOL.

Yes, we have control.

 

[Black Swan]

Thank you. Now if you could just convince your pals who repeatedly claim that a Nic inclusive contract will never pass.

Jim

We are going to make sure the situation never presents itself, backed by the 9th.

 

[cleardirect]

Spoken like someone who thinks he has control over us.

We file for ourselves. None of your business

. Your Leonidas group has taken you into the kill zone. What do they say about the new pay rates for the East?

No really you can not be this obtuse.

When usapa (the union that represnets all of us) spends money to pursue a very expensive grievance that only benefits the east. IT IS OUR BUSINESS!

You I have a vote so I do have some control over you. Just like you have the same vote.

This has nothing to do with Leonidas. Stop blaming everyone else. You or I did not get a vote to pursue the LOa 93 grievance. You guys complain about not voting on the pension. Both have the force of law because the union represents the membership.

Try and understand that. Damn your guys are slow.

 

[Black Swan]

We do have control over you. Weve prevented you from submitting a DOH list and have not allowed you to move off LOA 93 with a new contract.

We've kept you guys pinned to the bottom since we merged.

And now you're in a legal battle with your former lawyer and architect of your DOH fight. And you're looking to merge with the IBT because USAPA is too weak to even hold off AOL.

Yes, we have control.

Nobody talks Teamsters. Kasher is calling soon, and Cleary is going to be the first leader since we trashed ALPA, to move this thing in a different direction. He will easily, easily win re election if he wishes after that. Maybe we will put Tracy up for the job since she pulled it off. You fine with that Move2?

 

[Move2CLT]

Nobody talks Teamsters. Kasher is calling soon, and Cleary is going to be the first leader since we trashed ALPA, to move this thing in a different direction. He will easily, easily win re election if he wishes after that. Maybe we will put Tracy up for the job since she pulled it off. You fine with that Move2?

What do you mean by "nobody talks Teamsters"? Cleary does and so do many of your east brothers. Did you not get the memo that came out today?



IBT Education Ad Hoc Committee Update

Attention Pilots,

At the direction of the Board of Pilot Representatives, USAPA President Mike Cleary has formed an ad hoc committee to solicit from the pilots any questions concerning the relationship between USAPA and the International Brotherhood of Teamsters (IBT). At present time, your Union is operating within a Strategic Alliance Agreement with the IBT that pledges cooperation on areas of common interest going forward. Some pilots have expressed an interest in the possibility of expanding this relationship up to and including a possible merger between the two unions.

The IBT Education Ad Hoc Committee, which has been tasked to assemble and deliver questions from our pilots to the IBT, has been formed, has held preliminary meetings, and is ready to hear from you, the USAPA Pilots, with your questions and comments regarding this issue. Please forward your questions for the IBT Education Ad Hoc Committee to the following email address: IBTcommittee@usairlinepilots.org.

The deadline for accepting questions will be November 14, 2011 at 1800 ET.

It is important for the committee to hear from all pilots that have questions so that a factual presentation can be made on this subject to the BPR and interested pilots in the near future. Thanks in advance for your participation in this endeavor.


The Ad Hoc Committee,

Randy Dopp, Chairman

Bob Burdick

Dave Button

Lee Fife

Ed Solek

 

[Move2CLT]

Nobody talks Teamsters. Kasher is calling soon, and Cleary is going to be the first leader since we trashed ALPA, to move this thing in a different direction. He will easily, easily win re election if he wishes after that. Maybe we will put Tracy up for the job since she pulled it off. You fine with that Move2?

Cleary will be reelected only because the west wants it that way. He's done a great job keeping you guys polarized even on these boards. Breeze wants nothing to do with him yet you talk highly of him. Most easties are ready for change yet you say nay.

This is going to be fun watching you guys go at each other. But in the end it will be the west that decides if he gets back in and, as of now, he will be allowed to continue flying USAPA into the ground.

And by all means, put Tracey up too. More comedy is good for the soul.

 

[Keroseneuser]

We do have control over you. Weve prevented you from submitting a DOH list and have not allowed you to move off LOA 93 with a new contract.

We've kept you guys pinned to the bottom since we merged.

And now you're in a legal battle with your former lawyer and architect of your DOH fight. And you're looking to merge with the IBT because USAPA is too weak to even hold off AOL.

Yes, we have control.

Not sure what you guys think goes on over here. The only place I ever see the west mentioned as much more than a passing "We are sequenced behind the west bus there" is on this board.

Never heard anybody mention the teamsters out flying. Nobody cares what latest flyer or video AOL has come up with. Nobody cares how long you want to hold on to the NIC or nothing since staying seperate ops is better for us anyhow.

Truthfully speaking on the east the most support the west has comes from USAPA. They are the only ones that ever mention you guys in their greviance updates and such when they are trying to get some west pilot paid for something the company boned them out of.

 

[nic4us]

So I guess every time a pilot is equipment FROZEN, he has to NEGOTIATE his way out, maybe seek arbitration. When he is FROZEN in his last base bid, for company convenience, he has to NEGOTIATE to get out of it. Give me a break, you have worked for that dirtbag company so long it has gone to your head. Fortunately for us, it seems Kasher is not buying the dirtbag scenario you and Gordon Gecko dreamed up. He will see the thieves and their minions tried to pull the scam two years too long. Madoff Air is going to get tripped up. Can't wait until the first question comes up at the shareholders meeting and someone asks why the company didn't offer a lower rate that both sides would have taken. Now, they are going to be stuck with the much higher rate for a long, long time with no way up for you, and no way out for them.

When a pilots equiptment FREEZE ends, does s/he immediately return to the position they held prior to the position that was frozen?

You are making less and less sense there Swan.

Funny thing about the shareholders meeting example you just gave, not only was a lower rate discussed, it was proffered by the scabs. Yep, they were negotiating for rates lower than the rates they now say are due to them in this BS grievenc they filed.

If Kasher does give you a snapback, plan on the next question at the shareholders meeting to be,"and how long do we anticipate it will take to replace the remaining 700-800 east pilots"?

 

[BoeingBoy]

It is important for the committee to hear from all pilots that have questions so that a factual presentation can be made on this subject to the BPR and interested pilots in the near future. Thanks in advance for your participation in this endeavor.

And yet the vast majority of east pilots won't ask a question or provide input, as always. They allowed the MEC to do as it pleased and now do the same with USAPA, all the while claiming how much "better" everything is now...stupid truly is as stupid does...

Jim

 

[luvn737s]

Nobody talks Teamsters. Kasher is calling soon, and Cleary is going to be the first leader since we trashed ALPA, to move this thing in a different direction. He will easily, easily win re election if he wishes after that. Maybe we will put Tracy up for the job since she pulled it off. You fine with that Move2?

BS looks more and more like Bart from Blazing Saddles:

[the Johnsons load their guns and point them at Bart. Bart then points his own pistol at his head]
Bart: [low voice] Hold it! Next man makes a move, the ****** gets it!

 

[luvn737s]

ALPA's MO is always to yell "The sky is falling, the sky is falling!",and "The membership isn't smart enough to be trusted to vote correctly on things while the sky is falling." What's new?

When was the last time the line pilots were given a vote on anything under USAPA? When was the last time the BPR was consulted for that matter?

How did ALPA treat the line pilots again? Oh, yeah, better than USAPA.

 

[Keroseneuser]

If Kasher does give you a snapback, plan on the next question at the shareholders meeting to be,"and how long do we anticipate it will take to replace the remaining 700-800 east pilots"?

Wait I am confused, didn't you just say a while back that we need to accept NIC so we can get a new industry standard contract?

If they are not going to pay part of the airline decent money, what make you think they will pay ALL the airline decent money?

Oh wait, ok I got it, you mean you want NIC so that all the west can be captains and make decent money. Sorry for the confusion.

 

[BoeingBoy]

Wait I am confused,

Don't be...it was that little "If Kasher does give you a snapback..."

Jim

 

[luvthe9]

Cleary will be reelected only because the west wants it that way. He's done a great job keeping you guys polarized even on these boards. Breeze wants nothing to do with him yet you talk highly of him. Most easties are ready for change yet you say nay.

Now that's rich, I guess we are playing right into the masterful hands of the west. . AOL is the king of polarization, and yes most easties are ready for change and that change will be in their hourly pay rate. Keep the spin coming.