US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Pi brat]

YES it was unprovoked. I posted in general terms you went personal but hey we can go round and round as this is enjoyment for me to poke fun at the circus clowns.

Injunction

What a whiner. What was it the AOL update said? Something like if you mess with one, you mess with all, but I made it personal?

Did you exempt me when you would say "east"? No, didnt think so, so YOU made it personal. Accept your actions

 

[Black Swan]

If USAir gave us the DAL contract, the pilot group would pass any seniority list, be it DOH, NIC, tallest to shortest, fattest to skinniest, or fastest to slowest, it wouldn't matter.

The only problem is that any of Doug's offers don't count if they are made while he is in DETOX recovering from another DUI.

The West group needs to figure out there is not going to be a contract for years, an easy 5 or so. This sums it up for me. I could care less about the Nic or a joint contract.

[media] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJGKpS8RQwU[/media]

 

[luvn737s]

I've been thinking about this. Maybe USAPA needs to change it's position to accepting the NIC, but with enough conditions and restrictions so as not to cause harm to the East pilots. Let the East pilots capture the attrition on the East and fence them away from PHX. How's that grab you?

Driver B)

No, the east has enjoyed DOH for 6 years, that's enough attrition capturing by circumventing the arbitration. Vote on a contract with NIC. After that the west can sue USAPA for intentionally delaying the contract and recoup what would have been gained.

Juries love when folks play by the rules and reward them handsomely.

 

[luvn737s]

The West group needs to figure out there is not going to be a contract for years, an easy 5 or so. This sums it up for me. I could care less about the Nic or a joint contract.

[media] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJGKpS8RQwU[/media]

Hey there's a line in that song: "You can keep your retirement and your so-called social security" You morons gave your retirement away too!

Classic!

 

[USA320Pilot]

If USAir gave us the DAL contract, the pilot group would pass any seniority list, be it DOH, NIC, tallest to shortest, fattest to skinniest, or fastest to slowest, it wouldn't matter.

The only problem is that any of Doug's offers don't count if they are made while he is in DETOX recovering from another DUI.

Phoenix,

Doug already offered the pilot group DAL + 1% to make US Airways' pilots the highest paid legacy airline pilots. USAPA screwed that up too.

Click here to read the story.

USA320Pilot

 

[nycbusdriver]

Phoenix,

Doug already offered the pilot group DAL + 1% to make US Airways' pilots the highest paid legacy airline pilots. USAPA screwed that up too.

Click here to read the story.

USA320Pilot

You think your own madeupfacts.com proves anything. Parker has consistently said that LCC cannot afford to pay what the legacies do as LCC is "unique." (I use that word because I know you love it.)

He has NEVER offered Delta +1%.

And USAPA didn't screw up anything along the lines of a pay raise. To see what's really screwed up, see the mirror.

 

[cactusboy53]

If USAir gave us the DAL contract, the pilot group would pass any seniority list, be it DOH, NIC, tallest to shortest, fattest to skinniest, or fastest to slowest, it wouldn't matter.

The only problem is that any of Doug's offers don't count if they are made while he is in DETOX recovering from another DUI.

Let's prove your theory. Let's put up a Kirby Proposal with improvements and an unaltered Nic with DAL wages. Let's see if it passes. Doing this ensures no DFR lawsuit against the company or USAPA, and we can move on. What do you say?

BTW....You REALLY should watch what you post about the company and the company officers. I'd bet you one set of pink panties that that your ID has already been established AND there is a file.

 

[Black Swan]

Hey there's a line in that song: "You can keep your retirement and your so-called social security" You morons gave your retirement away too!

Classic!

No, we didn't give away our retirement, our ALPA reps did, without our vote. That is why we LAUNCHED them and you got USAPA! Best vote I ever logged!

 

[A320 Driver]

After that the west can sue USAPA for intentionally delaying the contract and recoup what would have been gained.

You're dreamin'. Give a jury one look at the negotiating notes and they will see clearly that it is the company that is stonewalling and changing positions. Then your case goes up in smoke with your wallet attached to it.

Knock yourself out if you wish...it's your money.


Driver B)

 

[fodase]

Some opportunities may soon present that might allow for some give and take to occur. I have predicted many times here East and West might again be bargaining for themselves in a three or four way. That scenario might allow for everyone to come out equally unhappy, as I hoped Mr. Nic was going to do. It won't assure DOH or Nic, but might allow for some movement forward. I know that idea brings anger to some, but it is one way out of this quagmire.

Enough Kum Ba Ya..back to the fun.

RR

ahh so back to the west must compromise on the compromise. Are your sources telling you who will be negotiating for the west? Another east fantasy of taking from the west with noThing to offer in return.

 

[cactusboy53]

No, we didn't give away our retirement, our ALPA reps did, without our vote. That is why we LAUNCHED them and you got USAPA! Best vote I ever logged!

Ahhhhhhh. So YOUR ALPA representatives gave away your retirement, NOT ALPA National. Hey, are there ANY former AAA ALPA representatives that are now involved with any of USAPA representative positions or committees?

Can you see the dim light getting a little brighter yet? You should go into the light. The light is good. Light = Good. Dark = Bad.... 😀

 

[Reed Richards]

Are your sources telling you who will be negotiating for the west?

Yes, they are. Right now your own Merger Committee and Legal funded by USAPA. Chance now the Company will be throwing in funds to move things along.

Anything else?

RR

 

[SparrowHawk]

You're dreamin'. Give a jury one look at the negotiating notes and they will see clearly that it is the company that is stonewalling and changing positions. Then your case goes up in smoke with your wallet attached to it.

Knock yourself out if you wish...it's your money.


Driver B)

Haven't you folks figured out that once you begin litigation the lawyers get richer and you get poorer?

The path out of this mess is for someone, East or West to grow a pair of nuts and tell the hard core on BOTH sides that it's time to put the ball in Doug's court. No one is going to get all they want, put your fences up, look at the things you need to like attrition rates, etc and put something together that sucks least and shove it under Doug's nose and tell him to Bleep Off or watch his airline go C7.

To much time and personal wealth has been expended. It's long past time to take on the real enemy and he is NOT your brethren from the "other" airline. The enemy is Doug Parker, Scott Kirby and Jerry Glass. Try fighting the enemy instead of each other!

 

[fodase]

Yes, they are. Right now your own Merger Committee and Legal funded by USAPA. Chance now the Company will be throwing in funds to move things along.

Anything else?

RR

Well that's great news, who's on our own merger comitee? I can't seem to find this comitee anywhere, are they a super secret comitee?

 

[Res Judicata]

No, we didn't give away our retirement, our ALPA reps did, without our vote. That is why we LAUNCHED them and you got USAPA! Best vote I ever logged!

Bitterness makes one criminally stupid. I wouldn't want to walk a single day in your miserable shoes. You're so blinded by hate, you can't see the obvious self inflicting damage you cause yourself. Sad.