US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Reed Richards]

Good chance as there are many more MIGS today than there were when Cleary was elected. Many had refused to join the union and had no vote. There are still quite a few of those now, but not nearly as many.

We will see in the spring, won't we? Of course movinonuptoclt says the west will vote Cleary back in since he is doing such a great job for them.

PI, I don't think the number of migs has changed enough on either side to make a difference in the upcoming Officer elections. What is evident, is the West has shown a great ability to vote en masse. They may indeed be able to give the election to Cleary...if they can break him out of the primary against a West candidate by splitting the East. Brilliant on their part, as no East pilot is going to vote against Cleary vs. West pilot in the runoff.

But that strategy cuts both ways. The West must consider if they want to work with Cleary in the upcoming merger (M and A..whatever) or candidate "B." Who knows?

As to West migs, they are maxed out. About 500 of them have never, ever joined any union. So far that is holding true.

No superhero answers here, out of my league. Should be interesting.

RR

 

[Injunction junction]

Are those AOL folks telling you guys that? Most west pilots realize the the NIC is never going to happen. But it is OK to keep wishing.

No what most west pilots realize is that you are never ever going to see a DOH integration! Like I said and keep saying if you could it would have happened long before now. We also realize that you will rot on those regional pilot wages.

Injunction

 

[Injunction junction]

1500 "Hello Kitty" band-aids ready to ship on my dime. Should I mail them to Leo?

RR

Another east pilot drug dealer, you circus clowns never learn

Injunction

 

[Injunction junction]

No, we didn't give away our retirement, our ALPA reps did, without our vote. That is why we LAUNCHED them and you got USAPA! Best vote I ever logged!

Oh brother here we go again. You jackwagons had a vote. ALPA REPS CANT GIVE AWAY ANY CONTRACT PROVISIONS WITHOUT A VOTE. Take responsibility for your actions clown.

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[Injunction junction]

I think the east will be fine with the Kasher win soon, and there will be no more need to discuss any of this. And yes the east will move on.

Well I happen to have read the draft and Kasher adopted the companies position. Get ready for yet another disappointment in the circus clownville.

Injunction

 

[A320 Driver]

Well I happen to have read the draft and Kasher adopted the companies position. Get ready for yet another disappointment in the circus clownville.

Injunction

IF this is true, then someone needs to investigate the process because you, whoever you are, are NOT supposed to have access to such a document.

 

[Iclubbabyseals]

ALPA REPS CANT GIVE AWAY ANY CONTRACT PROVISIONS WITHOUT A VOTE.

But, they did, exactly, do that. They gave it away in a panic, they being the same fruitcakes you listen to for all your "facts".

Not one non-ALPA rep had a chance at a vote. Just the MEC.

Try to align your opinions and speculations with the present form of reality.

 

[A320 Driver]

But, they did, exactly, do that. They gave it away in a panic, they being the same fruitcakes you listen to for all your "facts".

Not one non-ALPA rep had a chance at a vote. Just the MEC.

Try to align your opinions and speculations with the present form of reality.

IMO, you are blaming the wrong guys. The ones that deserve it were on the MEC the June before when they were warned by the negotiating committee members that they had 3 months to freeze the DB plan or lose it. They did NOTHING.

Driver <_<

 

[Black Swan]

And NOBODY gives a s**t. Silver will explain it all in Dec.

And, if she doesn't show a grasp of what constitutes a INTERNAL UNION DISPUTE, she will get corrected just like Wake. And she is aware of that fact, painfully.

 

[Black Swan]

Cleary is about to hit 26 years with the company. Junior?

Don't let emotions rule your own world, get your facts straight.

Representational election was a perfect storm in a perfect circumstance. Unique. But to put it in today's context is, to quote Doug, disingenuous.

RR

Exactly. If you say Cleary is junior, then the entire AWA group is junior as Cleary was hired in 85.

 

[Black Swan]

I just returned from the Leonidas meeting where I saw those culprits of the alleged identity theft. All have thoroughly enjoyed their eight month paid vacation and expect to be back on line as soon as December. It appears usapa's unjustified accusations have gone the way of the "RICO" suit. Your "union" just can't help itself failing at every turn yet only successful in permanently dividing the pilot group.

One thing those "culprits" didn't do was refuse to do their jobs (ie. distance learning) which would be justifiable termination. You easties can just keep trying. Throw some more feces against the wall in order to see what will stick.

And, by the way, it's official. The Leonidas meeting confirmed one important fact: THERE WILL BE NO COMPROMISE WITH THE EAST. NOT NOW. NOT EVER. We're all in and it's just a matter of time before we move on. Looking forward to the meltdown.

That is great, just like WYE RIVER when ALPA itself tried to get you to compromise. That didn't work out for you too good did it? Somebody post the name of the place where they had the harm party fundraiser so we can use that for the next round. WYE RIVER was the first, what was the next place ? Did anyone from ALPA show up to warn you about "ALL THE RISK LIES WITH THE WEST" or was it a cheerleading event? Did Jacobs apologize for taking your 2 million because he didn't know what a RIPE lawsuit was, or is he still headstrong about taking and spending your cash?

 

[Black Swan]

Oh brother here we go again. You jackwagons had a vote. ALPA REPS CANT GIVE AWAY ANY CONTRACT PROVISIONS WITHOUT A VOTE. Take responsibility for your actions clown.

Injunction

Take responsibility for getting the facts straight. The reps gave away the pension without a vote. Then we LAUNCHED ALPA. 😀

 

[Black Swan]

IF this is true, then someone needs to investigate the process because you, whoever you are, are NOT supposed to have access to such a document.

These guys have their noses everywhere they are not supposed to, and the company greenlights it all. Thanks for the info.

 

[luvn737s]

Cleary is about to hit 26 years with the company. Junior?

The company he got hired with is no longer in business. It was merged with another airline to form an airline the does business under the name USAirways.

Break it to him easy, will ya?

 

[Code Name V]

No what most west pilots realize is that you are never ever going to see a DOH integration! Like I said and keep saying if you could it would have happened long before now. We also realize that you will rot on those regional pilot wages.

Injunction

Now there's something I can agree with. You are likely correct in that we will not see a DOH integration; because there will never be an integration without it. The company is going to have to figure out what to do with two separate company's? Either put off any merger plans or dump the west....
Pretty easy decision. See ya.

V