US Pilots Labor Discussion

[BoeingBoy]

That's going to leave a mark! 🙂

You deserve it for all the times you've said that I never correct a westie...

Jim

 

[Pi brat]

You deserve it for all the times you've said that I never correct a westie...

Jim

You have proven me wrong, thank you.

 

[Pi brat]

PI, I don't think the number of migs has changed enough on either side to make a difference in the upcoming Officer elections. What is evident, is the West has shown a great ability to vote en masse. They may indeed be able to give the election to Cleary...if they can break him out of the primary against a West candidate by splitting the East. Brilliant on their part, as no East pilot is going to vote against Cleary vs. West pilot in the runoff.

But that strategy cuts both ways. The West must consider if they want to work with Cleary in the upcoming merger (M and A..whatever) or candidate "B." Who knows?

As to West migs, they are maxed out. About 500 of them have never, ever joined any union. So far that is holding true.

No superhero answers here, out of my league. Should be interesting.

RR

It's been a while, so maybe I'm not remembering correctly, but I thought most of the west had still not joined when Cleary was elected. I was thinking between the east and west non-members, Cleary was elected by about only 40% of active pilots. Again, I may be wrong and if so I'm sure I will be quickly and sternly corrected.

I believe the spring elections will be big and everybody better think long term. The SLI will settle in court, everything else, not so much.

I don't know anyone at AT or SW so I only know the pieces I have read on boards, but it seems that SW was going to do whatever they had to do to prevent the SLI from being put in an arbitrators hands. Is this the new standard for mergers? If so, we are really unprepared.

 

[Pi brat]

Well I happen to have read the draft and Kasher adopted the companies position. Get ready for yet another disappointment in the circus clownville.

Injunction

Man, you must be way down the food chain if you just now got to see it. I think it was aqua that told us last December that we lost.

Clowns, clowns.........who used that term a lot before????

 

[luvn737s]

It is true. At that time nothing required the MEC to put anything out for a vote of the membership - not ALPA's C&B/L's or the MEC operating manual. Due to the uproar after the pension was terminated, a resolution passed to add language to the UOM requiring a membership vote on certain matters. That language is why the east pilots voted on the E190 payscale in the TA but not the rest of the TA, which was approved by the MEC.

Jim

The horse obviously left something behind as it ran out of the barn. Oh, yes LOA93.

 

[luvn737s]

Cleary's Not too bright? And you want to move USAPA to PHX? I guess, like most westies; you still think we are all on the same team and all need to work together.

No, I think a union that demands payment as a condition of employment better start providing something of value or drop the agency shop provision.

Better yet, LAUNCH USAPA!

 

[luvn737s]

LMAO........Yes, it WAS terminated WITHOUT a membership VOTE......."

But supporting a ego-maniacal tyrant that denies not only the votes of the membership, but also the vote of the leadership on anything of substance (OK, cell-phone providers is pretty important) is OK? Does the term Double Standard ring a bell?

 

[BoeingBoy]

The horse obviously left something behind as it ran out of the barn. Oh, yes LOA93.

LOA 93 came along after the change to the UOM so was ratified by the members (after a lot of "Let My Daddy Vote" LEC meetings). That wasn't to get the MEC to let the membership vote on a tentative agreement but to let the membership vote on a company proposal after the MEC (the GAG component) had convinced enough members that not having a agreement before a bankruptcy filing was the worst thing in the history of the world. In other words, it was at the pinnacle of the GAG vs RC4 battle.

As I recall, the change in the UOM required a membership vote on any change in pay, benefits, or working conditions. That pretty much covered nearly all of LOA 93 but for the transition agreement only covered the E190 pay rates, hence the vote on only that part.

Jim

 

[Reed Richards]

But supporting a ego-maniacal tyrant that denies not only the votes of the membership, but also the vote of the leadership on anything of substance (OK, cell-phone providers is pretty important) is OK? Does the term Double Standard ring a bell?

Cleary cannot win another term on the East with only East votes. Ferguson has told us the West will elect him (see my post last night for the mechanics of that) because he is doing such a good job on screwing up, and supposedly providing DFR fodder.

So if the problem is Cleary, you can only blame yourself(West) if he gets re elected.

You will do as you wish, but don't blame us if you get three more years of the same, or worse.

RR

 

[Reed Richards]

No, I think a union that demands payment as a condition of employment better start providing something of value or drop the agency shop provision.

Better yet, LAUNCH USAPA!

All I hear from you is the escrow accounts you want set up, the votes you want to happen, and the new union you want.

There was a very quiet and amazingly politically competent F/O (now a C/O) in PIT that did all that in the blink of an eye a few years ago. And he was nowhere near a web board when he did it. Give him a call, he can fill you in. You have some heavy lifting to do, especially in the area of migs in PHX.

RR

 

[Rookie Jr]

OUCH!!!! And from the one eastie (former) you guys trust. That's going to leave a mark! 🙂

No, it won't leave a mark. The fact is that we respect the truth and those that tell it. Your side wouldn't understand that concept. It's all just win or lose with you.

 

[Injunction junction]

Man, you must be way down the food chain if you just now got to see it. I think it was aqua that told us last December that we lost.

Clowns, clowns.........who used that term a lot before????

Could be that or maybe I just really didn't care seeing as how the clown factory out east likes to invent rules as they go along. Get this and get it good Pi you will never ever see a DOH integration, there will be no compromise as the NIC was the compromise. There will be no ZERO pay raises in the east until you accept the terms of the agreement we had in arbitration. Story written all over the wall yet you and the circus acts refuse to read it. Tried the illegal job action route and that blew up in your face with the terminations of east circus clowns.

How much stupider can you folks get? Oh check that I forgot it was the east we were talking about. Killing yourselves at every turn.

Injunction

BTW if you could get it you would have by now! Let that sink in real good Clown.

 

[Rookie Jr]

Cleary cannot win another term on the East with only East votes. Ferguson has told us the West will elect him (see my post last night for the mechanics of that) because he is doing such a good job on screwing up, and supposedly providing DFR fodder.

So if the problem is Cleary, you can only blame yourself(West) if he gets re elected.

You will do as you wish, but don't blame us if you get three more years of the same, or worse.

RR

That's OK. Cleary does a great job of keeping your side in constant turmoil. We want that until the court system has its say.

 

[Injunction junction]

It is true. At that time nothing required the MEC to put anything out for a vote of the membership - not ALPA's C&B/L's or the MEC operating manual. Due to the uproar after the pension was terminated, a resolution passed to add language to the UOM requiring a membership vote on certain matters. That language is why the east pilots voted on the E190 payscale in the TA but not the rest of the TA, which was approved by the MEC.

Jim

Ok go it, thank you Jim

Injunction

 

[Injunction junction]

But supporting a ego-maniacal tyrant that denies not only the votes of the membership, but also the vote of the leadership on anything of substance (OK, cell-phone providers is pretty important) is OK? Does the term Double Standard ring a bell?

Please explain to the circus act how this is NO DIFFERENT than what the RC4 did to them.

Injunction