US Pilots Labor Discussion

[cleardirect]

I understand that this is part of the new legal strategy to make Leonidas appear to be the party that is not willing to compromise in the DJ. Judge Silver asked if there was any way to compromise back in Feb. If Leonidas is not willing to come off of their position at all it will be no different than the AAA ALPA MEC that wouldn't come off of DOH/LOS prior to the NIC Award. Leonidas may get the NIC award after all.......with fences bigger than they ever imagined.

On a side note.....heard from a check airman yesterday that the company is preparing to hire 200 - 250 pilots on the East for the 3rd and 4th quarter of next year (2012) in order to prepare for the East's retirements. Expect interviewing to start in the spring. With only 81 E190 f/o positions, most new hires will go to the 737 or A320. No word on the return of the West furloughs.

I guess you guys forgot. The ninth circuit also offered mediation. That went nowhere and there were no orders to force mediation.

Just because usapa wants it does not mean they are going to get it. Mediation is for 2 sides that are looking for a settlement because they can't afford it or have a weak case. The west can afford it (usapa not so much) and the west has a strong case. So the answer to mediation is NO!

Judge Silver is not going make the 2 defendants mediate. See you court boys, see you in court.

 

[nic4us]

I guess you guys forgot. The ninth circuit also offered mediation. That went nowhere and there were no orders to force mediation.

Just because usapa wants it does not mean they are going to get it. Mediation is for 2 sides that are looking for a settlement because they can't afford it or have a weak case. The west can afford it (usapa not so much) and the west has a strong case. So the answer to mediation is NO!

Judge Silver is not going make the 2 defendants mediate. See you court boys, see you in court.

Clear, I forgot all about this.

Kind of shoots Gunther's theory right out of the water.

 

[USA320Pilot]

Two more points...

According to US Airways the company was willing to bump the Kirby Proposal by up to 10% more (read day 6 of the DFR trial page 187) and the parties had agreed on Short Term Disability. Click here to read the transcript.

That's a 27% icrease in pay and retirement that USAPA and their supporters have blown, which is hurting every pilot and their families. Personally, I cannot hurt others for my own personal gain, break a promise, renege on an agreement, violate Section 4 of the Transition Agreement, or attempt to use a voting majority to impose my will on a minority by virtually stapling them to the bottom of a joint seniority list.

To me a man's word is more important than anything else. But, to others...

In addition, some people make up points or lie in this forum. I have 9 years until mandatory retirement unless I elect to leave early, which is likely.

 

[Move2CLT]

I guess you guys forgot. The ninth circuit also offered mediation. That went nowhere and there were no orders to force mediation.

Just because usapa wants it does not mean they are going to get it. Mediation is for 2 sides that are looking for a settlement because they can't afford it or have a weak case. The west can afford it (usapa not so much) and the west has a strong case. So the answer to mediation is NO!

Judge Silver is not going make the 2 defendants mediate. See you court boys, see you in court.

Nice find.

 

[A320 Driver]

Personally, I cannot hurt others for my own personal gain, break a promise, renege on an agreement, violate Section 4 of the Transition Agreement, or attempt to use a voting majority to impose my will on a minority by virtually stapling them to the bottom of a joint seniority list.

To me a man's word is more important than anything else. But, to others...

In addition, some people make up points or lie in this forum. I have 9 years until mandatory retirement unless I elect to leave early, which is likely.

And when you walk on water your feet don't even get wet. You left that part out.

Driver <_<

 

[Pi brat]

According to US Airways the company was willing to bump the Kirby Proposal by up to 10% more (read day 6 of the DFR trial page 187) and the parties had agreed on Short Term Disability. Click here to read the transcript.

When I go to that page is see the testimony of Jack Stephen, not US Airways. He mentions informal discussions, not exactly a closed section. Am I missing something?

 

[A320 Driver]

Common sense goes a long way Driver.

Silver wasn't all too impressed that the company filed a DJ on the first place. I doubt she'll do anything to indemnify the company from a lawsuit.

It's quite plain to see that.

But then, common sense was never an east attribute now was it?

Yes, it does go a long way. Why don't you use some of it? You just said yourself that the Judge is unlikely to indemnify the company...and they should realize that. WAIT, EUREKA! I think they did...what a nifty way to push back negotiations for a couple of years!

Oops...I was using common sense...I'm an Eastie and supposed to be devoid of it.

You crack me up. You're as self righteous as A320Pilot.

Driver B)

 

[Move2CLT]

Whoa, deep breath Driver.

Ok, try it again with a little less crazy.

 

[nic4us]

Yes, it does go a long way. Why don't you use some of it? You just said yourself that the Judge is unlikely to indemnify the company...and they should realize that. WAIT, EUREKA! I think they did...what a nifty way to push back negotiations for a couple of years!

Oops...I was using common sense...I'm an Eastie and supposed to be devoid of it.

You crack me up. You're as self righteous as A320Pilot.

Driver B)

I hear usapa can trade labor peace and a cost neutral contract as a means to get DOH and renege on a final and binding arbitration.

Any truth to that, cause my "common sense" says final and binding means...well...final and binding.

Time for another EUREKA moment. Who is causing the delay????

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

http://www.insidebiz.com/news/arbitration-agreements-arent-always-binding

 

[traderjake]

And when you walk on water your feet don't even get wet.

It don't take a saint to know you don't screw your fellow employees.

 

[Injunction junction]

http://www.insidebiz.com/news/arbitration-agreements-arent-always-binding

Hey great profit, next time you want to cut and paste something why dont you read it first. In this case one of the sides was not even a party to the arbitration thus it played and unfair advantage. In our case we both parties played a role.

The Fourth Circuit concluded that the arbitration agreement between Baker and respondent did not foreclose the enforcement action because the EEOC was not a party to the contract, but had independent statutory authority to bring suit in any federal district court where venue was proper.

Injunction

 

[cleardirect]

http://www.insidebiz.com/news/arbitration-agreements-arent-always-binding

Do try and stay in the realm of reality. This case is so far away from what we have here.

The U.S. Supreme Court disagreed. It recognized that the commission, as the agency charged by Congress with enforcing the disabilities act, has an independent obligation to vindicate the public interest in eliminating discrimination. The law gives the commission the authority to control the lawsuit once it has decided to act, even to the point of excluding the individual worker from decision-making authority.

Are you saying that you want some government agency stepping into this mess and taking away your right to control this?

BTW way before you answer that look at the part that says eliminating discrimination. That would be the discrimination against the minority west pilots.

You really do prove you are a fool every chance you get.

 

[Injunction junction]

Do try and stay in the realm of reality. This case is so far away from what we have here.




Are you saying that you want some government agency stepping into this mess and taking away your right to control this?

BTW way before you answer that look at the part that says eliminating discrimination. That would be the discrimination against the minority west pilots.

You really do prove you are a fool every chance you get.

I cant even understand why he posted it.

Injunction

 

[Move2CLT]

I cant even understand why he posted it.

Injunction

He throws up whatever google shows him.

Comprehension only complicates things for him.