US Pilots Labor Discussion

[cleardirect]

If those you name, the new hires and reserve FO's, had five years or less, would they not be locked into basically the same pay and benefits? What, pray tell, would they gain whereas staying separate gives them five years of attrition allowing them to move up?

Let me see here, two years of reserve or, with the nicholau, seven or more years on reserve.

I don't know, it seems pretty clear to me, ... that you are full of wishful thinking.

One more time for the slow learners. The east own numbers guy Rick Salamat said the longest anyone has to wait under the Nicolau is TWO years not your fear mongering 7 or more. You are fibbing by 5 years.

 

[cleardirect]

For 1/3 of the active east list NIC is nothing but bad, for the middle to upper seniority NIC is mostly all bad. The only ones that really would do well under a NIC and the current offers we have seen is the top 517 on the NIC list, of which a sizable group is already retired.

And you would be incorrect AGAIN. Unless you consider 29 a sizable group to retire after 5 years. But don't let the facts get in the way of your fantasy and all powerful attrition argument.

 

[Move2CLT]

And, what the contract is the lipstick?

And what the hell are you trying to say?

 

[mrbreeze]

It NEVER ceases to amaze me how LITTLE some of you Easties understand the realities of this situation. I won't bother to educate you other than to say by April, the Company will make it crystal clear to you that the Nicalau award is the ONLY sec. 22.

Nic or food stamps forever and ever and ever....

Vote no all you want, but I stand behind my prediction. Nic inclusive contract ratified by next Christmas. Forget your merger dreams, before a contract, nobody will touch this ugly pig of an airline.

USAPA can go ahead and accept the NIC as is, but rewrite the TA. Let the TA include C&Rs or say separate ops for 3-5 yrs. Seems to be a quicker way to a new contract to me.

breeze

 

[Res Judicata]

And, what the contract is the lipstick?

I don't speak yoda.

 

[cleardirect]

USAPA can go ahead and accept the NIC as is, but rewrite the TA. Let the TA include C&Rs or say separate ops for 3-5 yrs. Seems to be a quicker way to a new contract to me.

breeze

Well you got the first part right. You guys should go ahead and accept the Nicolau.

The second part, who are you going to negotiate the T/A with? Would that be the company? Why would the company agree to change the T/A to add C&R or put up a fence which is the same thing as not accepting the Nicolau. It is still a DFR and the company wants nothing to do with it.

Do you not realize that every turn you run into a brick wall and the only path out is accepting the Nicolau? Do you not see that it is you east guys that keep trying to invent ways to get to a contract not the west guys? Why is that? Not confident in your position?

We have told you there is one way. Nicolau. We are not going to negotiate or mediate. See you in court.

Accepting the Nicolau and put 3 west pilots on the NAC. That is the quickest way to a contract.

 

[aquagreen73s]

USAPA can go ahead and accept the NIC as is, but rewrite the TA. Let the TA include C&Rs or say separate ops for 3-5 yrs. Seems to be a quicker way to a new contract to me.

breeze

That's still a DFR. AMR is having the problem now with regards to STL. If AMR management agrees with APA to cut STL, guess what....(hint: there is only one bargaining agent).

 

[Res Judicata]

USAPA can go ahead and accept the NIC as is, but rewrite the TA. Let the TA include C&Rs or say separate ops for 3-5 yrs. Seems to be a quicker way to a new contract to me.

breeze

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[mikey60]

Obviously you have no clue what you are talking about. What has changed that PHX will now go TU other than usapa begging for mercy?

The T/A is still in place. Are you saying that usapa would let the company violate the T/A and not do something about it? Can you say DFR?

How is it that PHL and CLT would expand and PHX would shrink but usapa would let the company violate the T/A?

Think before you post.


Who is a fleet mins and who is above fleet mins? Now if anyone of hitting the street it will be easties. You do know that the 190's and the pilots are not protected by the T/A right? Ba BYE!

Dont be so stupid, look beyond the walls of your doublewide. Clt and Phl wont, cant expand much If, no when phx goes the way of las something has to happen to those airframes. Your contract has no protection for when this happens. You can take t/a's, fleet mins, and anything else your little pea brain can think up and stick it where the sun dont shine when phx shuts down. You are street bound and not wall street, I cant wait to say " told you so". Remember those seats actually belong to the east.

 

[Beancounter]

No I'll see you just after court so I can laugh in your face.

Yeah, riiigghhttt. Why do I think you'd need a step stool to laugh in my face. What's the point? I'd just kick it out from under you.

 

[Beancounter]

When PHX is about to go TU see how fast Parker pulls a rabbit out of his hat and there are no "fleet mins" . Understand something CLT and PHL cant handle that much expansion. Airplanes are going to get returned and people are going to hit the street and they arn't going to be Easties. Tell daddy to start selling his toys. cash in the 401k his boy commin' home, yea were selling the doublewide me and" the wife " are movin in. ALSO boy I wasnt a Marine but I would have been proud to have served as one.

P.S. I would drop the Marine crap for your own good we have a lot of good jarheads in the east and they wont think your funny.

I hope you don't have a stroke when things don't turn out the way you want, because you sure don't have a clue about what's going on.

I was told the joke about marines(tell em' what you're going to say, tell em, and then tell em' what you said) from a Friend who was a marine prior to flight school.

 

[LSS]

Move2CLT,


What happened to your picture? Your avatar?

Oddly enough, I thought I remembered you or at least whoever that was as an east pilot. I'd swear I'd flown with you.....maybe as a F-28 or F-100 pilot? Or was that just your evil southern twin? 🙂

😛

That avatar he "grabbed" from a link posted here to the news article of a pilot who was charged with bringing drugs into the US... It was an East pilot, but never heard another word after the big splash "news" reports.

 

[Move2CLT]

USAPA can go ahead and accept the NIC as is, but rewrite the TA. Let the TA include C&Rs or say separate ops for 3-5 yrs. Seems to be a quicker way to a new contract to me.

breeze

Bzzzzzzzzzt!

No.

 

[Move2CLT]

That avatar he "grabbed" from a link posted here to the news article of a pilot who was charged with bringing drugs into the US... It was an East pilot, but never heard another word after the big splash "news" reports.

That is correct. He represented what LOA 93 does to easties.

You know when an eastie says he's got a great second job, this is what he's talking about.

 

[LSS]

That is correct. He represented what LOA 93 does to easties.

You know when an eastie says he's got a great second job, this is what he's talking about.

Westie... Movin2?... I wouldn't go there considering the history of some of your own...