US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Move2CLT]

Thank you...that is what I have been trying to tell em....just won't listen.

NICDOA
NPJB

And I've been trying to tell you you'll be on LOA93 that entire time...just won't listen.

 

[mrbreeze]

Call Eric F and ask him just how many east Captains call him a day.

They call him more than they call their own reps.

False statement!

 

[mrbreeze]

That's still a DFR. AMR is having the problem now with regards to STL. If AMR management agrees with APA to cut STL, guess what....(hint: there is only one bargaining agent).

I disagree, It is not a DFR because you still get your NIC award, however, to accomodate the retiring East pilots, it is just delayed or restricted. Any court could easily see that it is a way out of this mess, along with getting a new joint contract. Anything beyond that would just show the greed of the West wanting it all today.

breeze

 

[Move2CLT]

False statement!

No breeze, its not. I work with Eric and see this first hand. He's been to your crew room in PHL and CLT, on your jumpseats, and at meetings. He's engages the east guys and they appreciate his candor.

Eric is well spoken and knowledgeable and the east guys appreciate this.

And I understand you're still mourning your sister, but if you're going to participate I expect more than a two word post from you.

 

[luvthe9]

Eric is honorable.

I'm sure all identity thiefs are.

 

[mrbreeze]

No breeze, its not. I work with Eric and see this first hand. He's been to your crew room in PHL and CLT, on your jumpseats, and at meetings. He's engages the east guys and they appreciate his candor.

Eric is well spoken and knowledgeable and the east guys appreciate this.

And I understand you're still mourning your sister, but if you're going to participate I expect more than a two word post from you.

You're just begging for another timeout.....like I said, leave my sister's death out of this, ####.

The only reason I gave you details as to why I have been offline is because you made a previous post about not wanting to hear excuses about sickness, etc. So you need to drop it.

breeze

 

[Barrister]

called the NIC

And I've been trying to tell you you'll be on LOA93 that entire time...just won't listen.

We have accepted that possibility......MUCH better than being on something NOT MUCH better that LOA93 called the NIC with
immature rookies like you infiltrating the East. What pisses you off the most is knowing that we know there is ONE thing worse that
LOA 93 .....and tht's the abomination known as "THE NIC"
Wallow in YOUR misery.

NICDOA
NPJB

 

[Black Swan]

Ok, one more time for you. We were discussing the possibility of getting a NIC T/A voted in.

The 2 year number you stated was a 2005 number. It DOES NOT include 800+ pilots that are active on the property right now. All with a vote. 1/3 of the active east pilot list.

For those 800+ the 5 year or more number is pretty accurate.

You can go and ask these guys if they would kindly not vote since they were either furloughed or not hired in 2005. I bet they tell you to go pound sand since they DO NOT CARE what the situation was in 2005, they WILL vote what they feel is best for them. And since NIC puts them junior to every single west pilot they are going to vote no unless Parker comes up with a dumptruck load of money. Anything we have seen yet wont do it. For them it is more than upgrade, it means the difference between reserve or line, holidays off or not, 190 or bus while they are waiting on the upgrade.

Every newhire class that comes on the property just adds to the 800+ that could care less what the situation was in 2005. The situation is such a mess now that a pilot hired today and placed on the east would automatically be inclined to vote no on anything with NIC in it. Since by being placed on the east he will see the benefits of the east attrition. In fact, for any pilot on the east hired after 2005 (CEL list, newhire s etc) he is better off if the two groups never combine, since he is straight DOH and any combined list automatically puts him under 1800 west pilots when he goes to bid that he is NOT bidding against today.

East has been adding pilots for the last 6 or 7 months, and if the word from training dept. is accurate they are geared up to hire 50 a month starting in January. Time will tell on that one.

For 1/3 of the active east pilot list the numbers are simple for them. Over the next 9 years the east is retiring 1749 pilots, the west is retiring 422. In 15 years it is 2728 east to only 785 west.

If you were one of those 800+ guys junior to every single west pilot which way would you vote? By 2020 1749 guys in front of you retiring, OR vote yes on a NIC T/A to put 422 more retirements in the mix from the west AND add 1800 more in front of you at bidding time? In fact by 2020 there will only be 800 pilots left on the east list that are NOT one of the current 800+ stapled by NIC. Bt 2025 the only east pilots left WILL be the 800+ we are speaking of.

Once again, Doug CAN get them to vote yes on a NIC.....But I don't think he is willing to put up enough money to do it. It is not in his best interest. If he does come up with enough money then yay for all of us. I just dont see it happening from this mgmt.

EXACTLY! This is precisely why they will never get the Nic. It is reality, vs the AQUAMAN FANTASY. The fantasy where the Leonidas founders ignore the facts that we tell them, then in the next vote say the Nic will be in next year. Funny, yet sad. You tell them precisely where you stand, and then they ignore you and tell you how you will vote. I heard it was the same deal in Addington. They were told it was not ripe, yet went ahead with the 2 million suit. Good move!

 

[Black Swan]

No breeze, its not. I work with Eric and see this first hand. He's been to your crew room in PHL and CLT, on your jumpseats, and at meetings. He's engages the east guys and they appreciate his candor.

Eric is well spoken and knowledgeable and the east guys appreciate this.

And I understand you're still mourning your sister, but if you're going to participate I expect more than a two word post from you.

Total Fantasy. He is respected the way a poisonous snake is respected.

 

[aquagreen73s]

Latest news from the Reichstag: DOH has been abandoned. Next up: the Nicolau and a joint contract.


US Airways pilot union's mediation offer rejected

TEMPE, Ariz. (AP) — The president of the pilot's union at US Airways offered to try mediation to settle a feud among the airline's pilots, a major shift in tactics from a union that has been militant about the dispute.
The airline is the product of a 2005 merger with America West. Pilots from the two airlines still fly separately under separate union contracts.
America West pilots appear to have rejected the union president's overtures, according to letters from the two sides sent to pilots. A judge could still order nonbinding mediation, but a leader for the America West pilots said they would not agree to a compromise.
The two sides have been suing each other over an arbitrator's award about seniority that was widely seen as favoring America West pilots. Seniority is important to pilots because it governs who flies bigger (and generally better-paying) planes, as well as scheduling and layoff protection.
US Airways pilots — who outnumber their colleagues from America West — opposed the arbitrator's award so strongly that they voted out their old union and formed a new one, the US Airline Pilots Association, in an attempt to fight it.
In a big change from his earlier hard-line approach, union President Mike Cleary said earlier this month that the two sides should submit to voluntary mediation to settle their differences. He said they should try to find a compromise other than the arbitrator award.
"Collectively we have spent too much on legal battles that have taken years without finding any answer," Cleary wrote to pilots Nov. 17. He said he would ask a judge to order the two sides to get mediation. He said all pilots would benefit from a deal because the airline's management "would no longer be able to capitalize on the internal issue that has handicapped us all for far too long."
Pilot Eric Ferguson, one of the leaders from the America West side of the dispute, rejected Cleary's offer in a letter sent to pilots on Wednesday. Ferguson acknowledged that a judge could order mediation, but said there is no reason to give in on enforcing the arbitrator's decision.
"As for me, and every AWA pilot I know, we will take our chances in court," he wrote.
Tempe, Ariz.-based US Airways Group Inc. has been seeking a court order to determine whether it would be liable if it agrees to a contract that does not follow the arbitrator's award.

 

[mrbreeze]

Total Fantasy. He is respected the way a poisonous snake is respected.

Spot on.....I think I have the right to chose the poisons I ingest before I die....EF is not one of them.

breeze

 

[mrbreeze]

Latest news from the Reichstag: DOH has been abandoned. Next up: the Nicolau and a joint contract.


US Airways pilot union's mediation offer rejected

TEMPE, Ariz. (AP) — The president of the pilot's union at US Airways offered to try mediation to settle a feud among the airline's pilots, a major shift in tactics from a union that has been militant about the dispute.
The airline is the product of a 2005 merger with America West. Pilots from the two airlines still fly separately under separate union contracts.
America West pilots appear to have rejected the union president's overtures, according to letters from the two sides sent to pilots. A judge could still order nonbinding mediation, but a leader for the America West pilots said they would not agree to a compromise.
The two sides have been suing each other over an arbitrator's award about seniority that was widely seen as favoring America West pilots. Seniority is important to pilots because it governs who flies bigger (and generally better-paying) planes, as well as scheduling and layoff protection.
US Airways pilots — who outnumber their colleagues from America West — opposed the arbitrator's award so strongly that they voted out their old union and formed a new one, the US Airline Pilots Association, in an attempt to fight it.
In a big change from his earlier hard-line approach, union President Mike Cleary said earlier this month that the two sides should submit to voluntary mediation to settle their differences. He said they should try to find a compromise other than the arbitrator award.
"Collectively we have spent too much on legal battles that have taken years without finding any answer," Cleary wrote to pilots Nov. 17. He said he would ask a judge to order the two sides to get mediation. He said all pilots would benefit from a deal because the airline's management "would no longer be able to capitalize on the internal issue that has handicapped us all for far too long."
Pilot Eric Ferguson, one of the leaders from the America West side of the dispute, rejected Cleary's offer in a letter sent to pilots on Wednesday. Ferguson acknowledged that a judge could order mediation, but said there is no reason to give in on enforcing the arbitrator's decision.
"As for me, and every AWA pilot I know, we will take our chances in court," he wrote.
Tempe, Ariz.-based US Airways Group Inc. has been seeking a court order to determine whether it would be liable if it agrees to a contract that does not follow the arbitrator's award.

Another reason to not trust EF. He gave Cleary his word that their meeting was in confidence and now it has gone as far as the media.

breeze

 

[aquagreen73s]

Another reason to not trust EF. He gave Cleary his word that their meeting was in confidence and now it has gone as far as the media.

breeze

Quite the opposite. Cleary knew and understood that Eric would keep it quiet until Cleary made the communication public. Eric stuck to his word, as usual. What Cleary conveniently left out was HOW the communication took place, ie Cleary flying out to meet with Eric and kiss the Leonidas ring.

 

[luvthe9]

Quite the opposite. Cleary knew and understood that Eric would keep it quiet until Cleary made the communication public. Eric stuck to his word, as usual. What Cleary conveniently left out was HOW the communication took place, ie Cleary flying out to meet with Eric and kiss the Leonidas ring.

Another AQUAMAN FANTASY, good one Swan!!!!

 

[aquagreen73s]

Another AQUAMAN FANTASY, good one Swan!!!!

The West is savoring the collective dementia of the AFO club. The truth is obviously killing you guys.