Ok, one more time for you. We were discussing the possibility of getting a NIC T/A voted in.
The 2 year number you stated was a 2005 number. It DOES NOT include 800+ pilots that are active on the property right now. All with a vote. 1/3 of the active east pilot list.
For those 800+ the 5 year or more number is pretty accurate.
You can go and ask these guys if they would kindly not vote since they were either furloughed or not hired in 2005. I bet they tell you to go pound sand since they DO NOT CARE what the situation was in 2005, they WILL vote what they feel is best for them. And since NIC puts them junior to every single west pilot they are going to vote no unless Parker comes up with a dumptruck load of money. Anything we have seen yet wont do it. For them it is more than upgrade, it means the difference between reserve or line, holidays off or not, 190 or bus while they are waiting on the upgrade.
Every newhire class that comes on the property just adds to the 800+ that could care less what the situation was in 2005. The situation is such a mess now that a pilot hired today and placed on the east would automatically be inclined to vote no on anything with NIC in it. Since by being placed on the east he will see the benefits of the east attrition. In fact, for any pilot on the east hired after 2005 (CEL list, newhire s etc) he is better off if the two groups never combine, since he is straight DOH and any combined list automatically puts him under 1800 west pilots when he goes to bid that he is NOT bidding against today.
East has been adding pilots for the last 6 or 7 months, and if the word from training dept. is accurate they are geared up to hire 50 a month starting in January. Time will tell on that one.
For 1/3 of the active east pilot list the numbers are simple for them. Over the next 9 years the east is retiring 1749 pilots, the west is retiring 422. In 15 years it is 2728 east to only 785 west.
If you were one of those 800+ guys junior to every single west pilot which way would you vote? By 2020 1749 guys in front of you retiring, OR vote yes on a NIC T/A to put 422 more retirements in the mix from the west AND add 1800 more in front of you at bidding time? In fact by 2020 there will only be 800 pilots left on the east list that are NOT one of the current 800+ stapled by NIC. Bt 2025 the only east pilots left WILL be the 800+ we are speaking of.
Once again, Doug CAN get them to vote yes on a NIC.....But I don't think he is willing to put up enough money to do it. It is not in his best interest. If he does come up with enough money then yay for all of us. I just dont see it happening from this mgmt.
