US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Move2CLT]

Wow, look at all those AWA pilots on that list, Breeze and the rest us know quite well how to read and who the scabs are, I bet your on here. http://www.unbiasedfacts.org/MasterScabList.pdf

Did you vote for the scab luv?

 

[USA320Pilot]

In my opinion, the next declaratory judgment hearing on December 2, 2011 will begin the process of implementing the Nicolau Award. According to a colleague, "if not completed in the DJ, it will commence after a NAC give-away contract (ratified by the east-majority that are willing to accept anything if it includes DOH) which will immediatly be suspended by an injunction, followed by DFR II."

I believe it's no longer a question of whether the Nicolau Award will be confirmed as required by the pilot's contract, it's now just a question of when. And, of course, another question is how long will the majority of pilots based east of the Mississippi River be willing to continue to employ self-hostage taking while experiencing LOA 93?

Furthermore, I believe the anti-USAPA East pilots + USAPA's PHX-based pilots + the 3rd Listers will take control of the union, which will = Nicolau Award implementation and a joint contract. Why? iIt's unreasonable to expect the majority of the pilot group to watch others seek 35% attrition based pay increases while the majority of US Airways' pilots obtain zero.

 

[No Land Green]

In my opinion, the next declaratory judgment hearing on December 2, 2011 will begin the process of implementing the Nicolau Award. According to a colleague, "if not completed in the DJ, it will commence after a NAC give-away contract (ratified by the east-majority that are willing to accept anything if it includes DOH) which will immediatly be suspended by an injunction, followed by DFR II."

I believe it's no longer a question of whether the Nicolau Award will be confirmed as required by the pilot's contract, it's now just a question of when. And, of course, another question is how long will the majority of pilots based east of the Mississippi River be willing to continue to employ self-hostage taking while experiencing LOA 93?

Furthermore, I believe the anti-USAPA East pilots + USAPA's PHX-based pilots + the 3rd Listers will take control of the union, which will = Nicolau Award implementation and a joint contract. Why? iIt's unreasonable to expect the majority of the pilot group to watch others seek 35% attrition based pay increases while the majority of US Airways' pilots obtain zero.

.......another victim of industrial psychology.........NLG out.

 

[BoeingBoy]

I don't know, having been out of the loop for awhile, but it is irrelevant to the fact that EF spilled the beans.

breeze

Keep up breeze. Cleary's "President's Message" on the 17th broke the news, and if anyone had any doubts the case management report filing on the 22nd erased it - "USAPA urges the Court to strongly encourage the parties to mediate the seniority dispute underlying this case through the services of a mediator with a national reputation (for example, George Mitchell or Abner Mikva)."

Not until the 23rd was the letter from Ferguson published.

Don't get too confused by facts...

Jim

 

[USA320Pilot]

It's also noteworthy that US Airways has stated in writing in four different federal courts (Addington DFR Case, Declaratory Judgment, Preliminary Injunction, and the Status Quo lawsuit in NYC) that it has accepted the Nicolau Award and that it is the only official seniority list it has in its possession.

 

[BoeingBoy]

It's also noteworthy that US Airways has stated in writing in four different federal courts (Addington DFR Case, Declaratory Judgment, Preliminary Injunction, and the Status Quo lawsuit in NYC) that it has accepted the Nicolau Award and that it is the only official seniority list it has in its possession.

Hate says that Cleary owns Parker and Glass, so Cleary must have made them say that....

Jim

 

[cleardirect]

LOL...is that enough rope?

EF is still a scab in my book.

Let me remember what you guy all screamed awhile ago.

Did he cross a picket line? No so he can't be a scab. NA,na. It could have been nanny nanny boo boo. not sure.

Plus a wiki definition of a scab.

 

[Keroseneuser]

Don't you have two working for the union right now?

You guys seem to like them because you keep reelecting them.

I believe you are referring to the Freedom mess post 9/11 correct?

That situation is not as clear as people want to believe. I do not know the specifics of the 2 you are talking about. But I do know a F/O that appears on the "Freedom List" or whatever it is called.

Back when this thing came up and he was offered a position with Freedom he called and then wrote to ALPA concerning this subject. the response letter he received from ALPA he still has. I do not remember the exact statement, however suffice it to say that ALPA National stated in the letter that he would not be violating any agreements or crossing any type of line by accepting the position.

It was not until he was almost done with training that the position changed from ALPA national. So in his case and others like him who were furloughed, they ended up on a list that was not a list when they started.

If anybody still has access to the ALPA boards this was a hot topic. Would be interesting to see if those threads are still in the archives. This topic I believe was one of the issues that eventually ended with ALPA removing the furloughed pilots from the ALPA boards. At the time it appeared that they wanted do a bit of revisionist history and the furloughed guys got in the way, along with some other topics the furloughed were very vocal about. Back then the order of the day at ALPA seemed to be "If we don't like what they have to say, don't let them say it."

I think how ALPA treated the furloughed guys on this issue and others directly led to ALPA getting voted off the property. The cast off masses that ALPA had no time for back then, were back on the property in time to provide the required votes to remove ALPA.

If I remember correct one of our esteemed self appointed guru posters here who we all know, was all over the ALPA boards at the time leading the charge to have the furloughed guys removed from the boards.

I don't care what people have to say, and I always encourage people to speak what they feel no matter if I agree with it or not. But what I saw happening on the ALPA boards back then and the censorship disgusted me.

 

[No Land Green]

Did he cross a picket line? No so he can't be a scab.

Is the above what defines a "scab"? Just wondering since that term is used widely on this forum for individuals who have NOT crossed a picket line.

NLG out.

 

[cleardirect]

Move,

Cleary owns you and your buddies! Cleary owns Parker! Cleary owns Glass! Cleary works for the majority.

Hate

Says the slave.

If Cleary owns all of these people why is he unable to accomplish anything?

If he owns Glass and the company where is that contract with DOH?

You guys are funny. So blind to reality. December 2 is going to be a good day.

 

[luvthe9]

In my opinion, ....I believe .....Furthermore, I believe..... ,

And of course the famous "my Sources", so speaks the fool.

 

[Code Name V]

In my opinion, the next declaratory judgment hearing on December 2, 2011 will begin the process of implementing the Nicolau Award. According to a colleague, "if not completed in the DJ, it will commence after a NAC give-away contract (ratified by the east-majority that are willing to accept anything if it includes DOH) which will immediatly be suspended by an injunction, followed by DFR II."

I believe it's no longer a question of whether the Nicolau Award will be confirmed as required by the pilot's contract, it's now just a question of when. And, of course, another question is how long will the majority of pilots based east of the Mississippi River be willing to continue to employ self-hostage taking while experiencing LOA 93?

Furthermore, I believe the anti-USAPA East pilots + USAPA's PHX-based pilots + the 3rd Listers will take control of the union, which will = Nicolau Award implementation and a joint contract. Why? iIt's unreasonable to expect the majority of the pilot group to watch others seek 35% attrition based pay increases while the majority of US Airways' pilots obtain zero.

You know, every time you write, you show a new level of ignorance. You never cease to amaze with your moronic 'opinions'. As usual however, we can take the opposite to the bank as you have never had an opinion that actually came to pass....

V

 

[mikey60]

You ignored my questions.

What has changed except Cleary begging for the west to fix his problem that PHX would close and the company would ignore the T/A?
What will usapa do to live up to their DFR duty of protecting contracts/T/A and the west pilots???????

Why would PHX close?

If PHX closes the company must be in some serious trouble. What kind of contract do you think you would get? Improved or BK?

Now I know you and the east pilots have no integrity but do try and keep up with your own lies. You have all said that you want nothing from the west. PHX brought aircraft, seats and career expectations. But here you say that if PHX closes those were really eastie seat and even the PHX seat belong to you.

Your true colors come out. Thieves. You want everything but we are not going to let you have anything.

Your contract is so weak it cant protect you period. Not if but when phx shuts down the company is going to go to the contracts and they have to keep the east but the west has no protection and guess who will end up at Micky D's. Awe did bring the aircraft with seats but as far as career expectations look who you went to work for. And finally the aircraft in phx belong to you and you can fly them for anyone that takes over the leases. Hey! take them to AUSTRALIA and you can scab over there that would be typical for you and your scab group

 

[USA320Pilot]

You know, every time you write, you show a new level of ignorance. You never cease to amaze with your moronic 'opinions'. As usual however, we can take the opposite to the bank as you have never had an opinion that actually came to pass....

V

Right. The Transition Agreement clearly requires the Nicolau Award to be implemented, which is why Judge Silver will rule in Leonidas' favor. The pilot contract does not say may or could, the contract states the two pilot groups "will" be integrated per the arbitrator's decision. USAPA cannot pick and choose what part of the contract it wants to abide by and what part it wants to disregard. This is why USAPA was found guilty of DFR and why the Ninth indicated it was not a question of whether or not USAPA would be guilty of DFR...only the timing of DFR.

It's over for USAPA...

 

[mikey60]

Yeah, riiigghhttt. Why do I think you'd need a step stool to laugh in my face. What's the point? I'd just kick it out from under you.

Big talk from a "beancounter'.