US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Code Name V]

You do realize that all the 9th did is say that the West can't ask the DFR question until there is a ratified contract, don't you? You do realize that the company is separate from the West, don't you? You do realize that nothing from the 9th's ruling speaks to when the company asks the DFR question, don't you?

And you do know that once (if) there is ever a ratified contract. Only then can you file a DFR and try to prove that you were actually harmed 'from the point of ratification' and based upon the conditions and restrictions that are not even completed; try to show the difference in what you 'think' you deserved... Good luck! It shouldn't cost you more than another 2M....

V

 

[Iclubbabyseals]

And what's different? You wanted DOH before and you still want it now despite the arbitration award. We don't want DOH and we don't want C & Rs.

Nothing has changed other then the process has been completed.

If you want to move this forward then accept the Nic award.

And by "we" I assume you mean you and the rest of your east buddies, right?

To me, your quote is very interesting that you would not want seat protection in any case. It highlights the disconnect in your thinking and gives you no excuse, other than greed, for your hard attitude.

The east is willing to agree to DOH with complete seat protections for the west. What you have you will always have. After five years from merger announcement date, your ages will be very close to the east and basically, you get to own the system. Your stance right now will only guarantee separate contracts.

Okay, fine, play that way.

Your thought process seems to include the (false) idea that more than a few on the east are willing to "accept" a few percent pay raise, and the nicholau. I have yet to meet more than three. You may wish to consider that AOL puts out that particular script because they feel more west pilots will kick in more dollars.

Good luck with that line of thinking.

 

[cleardirect]

Exactly where we want you, and with the same stand. Imagine, standing before Judge Silver in this ongoing dispute since 2005. It is almost 2012. If the Nic were enforceable, it would have happened. The Judge is going to see that the present stance is going nowhere. In fact with each new hire class on the East, the Nic gets put further out of reach. They don't want any group coming in on top of them. They see where it is heading. Parker himself stated "THIS IS FOR YOU GUYS TO DECIDE" He clearly recognizes where this is headed. The only ones that still do not see it are the Leonidas founders on this board. They are the endangered group. The judge is going to make it perfectly clear this is an internal union dispute. The East group will NEVER ratify a NIC. contract. The 9th told you, Judge Silver is going to make it clear again. Leonidas is taking not only your money, but your chance at a contract. Wait until Kasher comes in. It will all be over for the junior West AQUAMAN FANTASY![/i ]Every time you say the Nicolau is the ONLY way out, I can roll out a court decision that says NO. Can You quote one that says it has to????

[7] Plaintiffs correctly note that certain West Pilots have
been furloughed, whereas they would still be working under
a single CBA implementing the Nicolau Award. It is, however,
at best, speculative that a single CBA incorporating the
Nicolau Award would be ratified if presented to the union’s
membership. ALPA had been unable to broker a compromise
between the two pilot groups, and the East Pilots had
expressed their intentions not to ratify a CBA containing the
Nicolau Award. Thus, even under the district court’s injunction
mandating USAPA to pursue the Nicolau Award, it is
uncertain that the West Pilots’ preferred seniority system ever
would be effectuated.

If you are right why is usapa delaying the answer and wants to go to trial over a year from now? Why is usapa begging the west to mediate?

The west thinks and knows we are right. We want the judge to answer the question summary judgement (that is what the law says) and we want it done as quickly as possible.

Why wait if you are right?

Keep quoting the ninth but you are going to find out you read it wrong.

 

[fodase]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=f5H-jkDsa0U

 

[cleardirect]

Not until the airline responds to the proposal, the
parties complete negotiations, and the membership ratifies the
CBA will the West Pilots actually be affected by USAPA’s
seniority proposal — whatever USAPA’s final proposal ultimately
is. Because these contingencies make the claim speculative,
the issues are not yet fit for judicial decision.


[8] Plaintiffs seek to escape this conclusion by framing
their harm as the lost opportunity to have a CBA implementing
the Nicolau Award put to a ratification vote. Because
merely putting a CBA effectuating the Nicolau Award to a
ratification vote will not itself alleviate the West Pilots furloughs,
Plaintiffs have not identified a sufficiently concrete
injury.2 Additionally, USAPA’s final proposal may yet be one
that does not work the disadvantages Plaintiffs fear, even if
that proposal is not the Nicolau Award.3


So as many times as Aquaman rants and insists, and MOVE2CLT cries and pleads, amd Res Judicata whose name itself claims that what is already decided, it is all SMOKE. They have NOTHING on which to base their claims. Where the rest of us, have the 9th ruling.!!!

But if that were true why do you need expert witnesses?

Why does usapa need months and months of expensive discovery?

If the ninth said what you think they said usapa should be able to walk into court lay down the ninth's ruling and rest your case. Why the delay until next year? Why all of the discovery and added experts? It is you that has smoke.

 

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[Black Swan]

You do realize that all the 9th did is say that the West can't ask the DFR question until there is a ratified contract, don't you? You do realize that the company is separate from the West, don't you? You do realize that nothing from the 9th's ruling speaks to when the company asks the DFR question, don't you?

Silver knows EXACTLY what the 9th said. Perhaps the DAMAGE is merely a figment of your paranoid imagination! The DFR Boogeyman you are constantly parading around, might just be an empty bedsheet!!!


[8] Plaintiffs seek to escape this conclusion by framing
their harm as the lost opportunity to have a CBA implementing
the Nicolau Award put to a ratification vote. Because
merely putting a CBA effectuating the Nicolau Award to a
ratification vote will not itself alleviate the West Pilots furloughs,
Plaintiffs have not identified a sufficiently concrete
injury.2 Additionally, USAPA’s final proposal may yet be one
that does not work the disadvantages Plaintiffs fear, even if
that proposal is not the Nicolau Award.3


Cleary, has got you totally outclassed, outmaneuvered, and in a corner. Waiting Dec 2nd!

 

[cleardirect]

And you do know that once (if) there is ever a ratified contract. Only then can you file a DFR and try to prove that you were actually harmed 'from the point of ratification' and based upon the conditions and restrictions that are not even completed; try to show the difference in what you 'think' you deserved... Good luck! It shouldn't cost you more than another 2M....

V

You must be talking about that dead MDA case. No ratified contract, no harm, no DFR.

Because you see we are beyond the Addington case and onto a different case. This is the companies law suit not the west DFR.

 

[Black Swan]

But if that were true why do you need expert witnesses?

Why does usapa need months and months of expensive discovery?

If the ninth said what you think they said usapa should be able to walk into court lay down the ninth's ruling and rest your case. Why the delay until next year? Why all of the discovery and added experts? It is you that has smoke.

Because we are going to take Leonidas down once and for all, and you need to be locked and loaded to kill the AQUAMAN FANTASY. Quote me ONE case that you can. I have reams of 9th decisions to take you on with. All you have is the Desert Judges' dismissed expedition.

 

[cleardirect]

Because we are going to take Leonidas down once and for all, and you need to be locked and loaded to kill the AQUAMAN FANTASY. Quote me ONE case that you can. I have reams of 9th decisions to take you on with. All you have is the Desert Judges' dismissed expedition.

I thought you guys claimed that once already? That Addington was dead and the west class was no more. If the ninth said what you think they said Leonidas would be done.

Besides why does it take millions of dollars and years of time to defeat the minority from the west? Sounds pretty weak to me if you need more than a year and expert witnesses to get the job done and we are willing to let the court decide on the law by April.

Locked and loaded? So far you have brought a plastic spoon to a nuclear fight. You guys don't want to take your chances with the judge and summary judgement? Let the law that think is on your side decide.

 

[mrbreeze]

FYI west.

You'll have to mollycoddle breeze. Anything directed at him that's offensive sends him running to the mods and you end up with a threat of suspension.

Say nice things to him and encourage him and he won't tell on you.

Well, you might catch on after all.

I warned you 3 times to leave my sister's death out of your posts, but your adolescent tiny brain just couldn't do it.

Now...the ONLY reason I am back on these boards is to bust you at every turn, so you better watch your foul mouth......I am going no where.

Like I said, the "time out" was very educational for me. My foul mouthed meltdown a couple of weeks ago was totally intentional, trying to test the system to see what it took to get the attention of the moderators. I actually got a very nice personal email from the head cheese of this board, explaining how this thing works.

Now.... you can learn the hard way or the easy way, your choice.

breeze

 

[Res Judicata]

And you do know that once (if) there is ever a ratified contract. Only then can you file a DFR and try to prove that you were actually harmed 'from the point of ratification' and based upon the conditions and restrictions that are not even completed; try to show the difference in what you 'think' you deserved... Good luck! It shouldn't cost you more than another 2M....

V

The DJ bears little resemblance to your dfr conviction. You don't even know what's happening to you. Even Cleary figured it out. Hence the mediation ploy. Won't work . You made your bed, and we're going to slam you in it and bury your fake union.

 

[Beancounter]

Silver knows EXACTLY what the 9th said. Perhaps the DAMAGE is merely a figment of your paranoid imagination! The DFR Boogeyman you are constantly parading around, might just be an empty bedsheet!!!


[8] Plaintiffs seek to escape this conclusion by framing
their harm as the lost opportunity to have a CBA implementing
the Nicolau Award put to a ratification vote. Because
merely putting a CBA effectuating the Nicolau Award to a
ratification vote will not itself alleviate the West Pilots furloughs,
Plaintiffs have not identified a sufficiently concrete
injury.2 Additionally, USAPA’s final proposal may yet be one
that does not work the disadvantages Plaintiffs fear, even if
that proposal is not the Nicolau Award.3


Cleary, has got you totally outclassed, outmaneuvered, and in a corner. Waiting Dec 2nd!

That is true, maybe you can come up with something that is not less than the Nicolau. DOH is certainly not it, however. I think you are trying to read something into this that is not there. The ninth in no way gave you carte blanche to negotiate a new list. The company knows this and it's why they went to court.

Cleary is definately maneuvering, that is for sure.

Nic or no Nic it still doesn't change the fact that the NAC is negotiating away stuff we already have!!!

 

[Black Swan]

The DJ bears little resemblance to your dfr conviction. You idiots don't even know what's happening to you. Even Cleary figured it out. Hence the mediation ploy. Won't work . You made your bed, and we're going to slam you in it and bury your fake union.

Like you did in Addington? Here is a reminder of how that went down......


[10] For the foregoing reasons, we hold that Plaintiffs’
DFR claim is not ripe; therefore, the case is REMANDED to
the district court with directions that the action be DISMISSED.
No costs to either side.


OUCH............ what the heck, only 2 Million Dollars! Come to the meet and greet! Meet the idiots who were hired by Aquaman, and filed for damages before they happened. Then explained the statute of limitations was coming up, for a case that had no merit, so they filed anyway........ :blink:

 

[Black Swan]

The DJ bears little resemblance to your dfr conviction. You idiots don't even know what's happening to you. Even Cleary figured it out. Hence the mediation ploy. Won't work . You made your bed, and we're going to slam you in it and bury your fake union.

One more time, since you don't get things very well!!!!
Like you did in Addington? Here is a reminder of how that went down......


[10] For the foregoing reasons, we hold that Plaintiffs’
DFR claim is not ripe; therefore, the case is REMANDED to
the district court with directions that the action be DISMISSED.
No costs to either side.


OUCH............ what the heck, only 2 Million Dollars! Keep the donations coming!!!!! B)