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The DJ bears little resemblance to your dfr conviction. You idiots don't even know what's happening to you. Even Cleary figured it out. Hence the mediation ploy. Won't work . You made your bed, and we're going to slam you in it and bury your fake union.
How about you quote us something you actually won??? Remember???
Like you did in Addington? Here is a reminder of how that went down......


[10] For the foregoing reasons, we hold that Plaintiffs’
DFR claim is not ripe; therefore, the case is REMANDED to
the district court with directions that the action be DISMISSED.
No costs to either side.


OUCH............ what the heck, only 2 Million Dollars! :blink: :blink: :blink: Pursuing the AQUAMAN FANTASY!
 
Not entirely correct. The company is asking the judge for guidance on their liability in light of:
(1) The Transition Agreement which the company signed and that calls for the Nicolau to implemented in a joint contract;

My copy of the TA does not use the word "implemented". Can you point it out to me?
 
The DJ bears little resemblance to your dfr conviction. You idiots don't even know what's happening to you. Even Cleary figured it out. Hence the mediation ploy. Won't work . You made your bed, and we're going to slam you in it and bury your fake union.
What an angry little boy, just enjoy what you have now because that is all you will ever have.!!!!!
 

How about you quote us something you actually won??? Remember???
Like you did in Addington? Here is a reminder of how that went down......


[10] For the foregoing reasons, we hold that Plaintiffs’
DFR claim is not ripe; therefore, the case is REMANDED to
the district court with directions that the action be DISMISSED.
No costs to either side.


OUCH............ what the heck, only 2 Million Dollars! :blink: :blink: :blink: Pursuing the AQUAMAN FANTASY!
WOW! Reality really struck a nerve with you. In yourntwisted little brain, how do you reconcile the fact the Silver has blown you out of the water every step of the way? Once again, you're being drug into court kicking and screaming because you know you're doomed. The "supremely confident" don't act like quivering little cowards now do they? :lol:
 
Nic or no Nic it still doesn't change the fact that the NAC is negotiating away stuff we already have!!!
How else do you think they're going to get the company to a DOH list? They have ZERO leverage and are the laughing stock of organized labor. Of course they're gutting the contract...it's by design.
 
WOW! Reality really struck a nerve with you. In yourntwisted little brain, how do you reconcile the fact the Silver has blown you out of the water every step of the way? Once again, you're being drug into court kicking and screaming because you know you're doomed. The "supremely confident" don't act like quivering little cowards now do they? :lol:


Here is some more 9th. You know, the court that actually ruled versus your rants! 😀


USAPA is at least as free to abandon the Nicolau Award as was
its predecessor, ALPA. The dissent appears implicitly to assume that the
Nicolau Award, the product of the internal rules and processes of ALPA,
is binding on USAPA.


Keep coming in counselor, you have nothing to offer but your hotheaded opinions, while we have facts. Keep the AQUAMAN FANTASY alive. It is all you have........P.S.
Could we hear one more time from the founders why they filed the unripe lawsuit that cost 2 million?
 
My copy of the TA does not use the word "implemented". Can you point it out to me?
Where else would a combined seniority list be implemented? Or are you suggesting that section 22 be removed from any joint contract? Or perhaps you're suggesting that the company be able to implement the only integrated list it's accepted whenever it wants - I'm sure that the company would be more than happy to comply with that request so why don't you send that suggestion to Cleary... :lol:

Jim
 
Where else would a combined seniority list be implemented? Or are you suggesting that section 22 be removed from any joint contract? Or perhaps you're suggesting that the company be able to implement the only integrated list it's accepted whenever it wants - I'm sure that the company would be more than happy to comply with that request so why don't you send that suggestion to Cleary... :lol:

Jim

I'm not suggesting any of that, but as usual I don't think you really have any interest in what I'm saying. I know the intent of the TA was that the seniority list would be implemented, but the TA does not say that. It says that the seniority lists will integrated by ALPA merger policy and if the result meets certain criteria, will be accepted by the company. All of that happened within the TA. So, does it end there. Other items that were negotiated in the TA will change under the final joint contract. Those things were arrived at by a certain process and changing them may have a detrimental effect on a certain segment of the pilot group. Let's use scheduling and line bidding vs. PBS. If I feel it harms me, can I sue now? The 9th said no. So I will sue, let it be declared not ripe, then threaten the company with a hybrid DFR, so they will run off to court and delay a contract. What stops this merry go round? And does intent trump actual language. It's why I asked the lawyer and not you.

Did you catch the crew news where Doug said that the TA said nothing about implementation?
 
Pi,

First, you have to ignore the purpose of the transition agreement to even have the questions you have. It is merely a bridge from two independent carriers with separate pilot groups operating under different contracts to a single carrier with one pilot group operating under one contract. So it does two things - make changes to both separate contracts as necessary to prevent violation of either between the actual corporate merger and being a single carrier completely integrated, and lay out the requirements for integrating operations as it pertains to the pilots. The latter requires 3 things - single ops cert, single seniority list, and single contract. No, the TA doesn't say that the SLI must be implemented in the single contract, but as I said where else? If, IF, the contract were to come first it would have to have language specifying that senior would be determined by - i.e. the courts, an arbitrator, a seniority integration process specified by XXXXX.

Only you can determine if you feel that you have been harmed by anything in a joint contract, but feeling that you have been harmed does not an automatic DFR victory make. Using your line bidding vs PBS, that applies to everyone so generally no DFR. Just like FO's don't have a DFR case because they're paid less than CO's. But if you want to put up the money go right ahead and sue.

What stops the merry go round is either a Judge or acceptance of the NIC. Those are the only two options since USAPA eliminated anyone from having a legal right to negotiate for only the West pilots. The same reason why Cleary's mediation offer is so comical - is USAPA going to "negotiate" with all 1700 or so West pilots? Heck, it nigh impossible to get 100 pilots to agree on anything...

Jim

PS - on your "intent vs language" question. Obviously the language is important, but so is intent. Just look at the LOA 93 pay grievance - both sides know what the language says but interpret it differently, so the intent behind the language is important. Obviously, some things are more clear cut, like the min fleet language, while others are more murky making intent even more important than the language.
 
Here is some more 9th. You know, the court that actually ruled versus your rants! 😀


USAPA is at least as free to abandon the Nicolau Award as was
its predecessor, ALPA. The dissent appears implicitly to assume that the
Nicolau Award, the product of the internal rules and processes of ALPA,
is binding on USAPA.


Keep coming in counselor, you have nothing to offer but your hotheaded opinions, while we have facts. Keep the AQUAMAN FANTASY alive. It is all you have........P.S.
Could we hear one more time from the founders why they filed the unripe lawsuit that cost 2 million?
:lol:
Fact. Despite $e$hams best efforts, you're going to Federal Court again to explain yourselves. The Judge clearly smells a rat. It's illegal for the company to accept a contract that's a DFR.

Addington proved your scab scheme is easily a DFR. Oops! Company and the West DON'T want mediation...Oops! The Company and the West WANT to import all the Addington evidence...Oops! Its amazing how many time you've lost in Court. Now Seham stole over TEN MILLION DOLLARS and left you a huge pile of crap. See you on the 2nd...despite your maximum efforts :lol: !
 
Asking is a long way from getting. If all you care about is pay rate good for you. That would be a $65 raise plus vacation plus better work rules. What else for the west? Higher insurance, less short term and long term, no base protection.

Unlike you the west has better work rules. The NAC is giving away west work rules for east pay rates.

Besides if all you want is pay rates why not accept the Nicolau and the pay rates?

YOU FU##ING MORON ITS DOH OR NOTHING,ACCEPT IT...ITS YOUR FATE!
 
You forgot beating an unarmed husband with G. baseball bat and H. identiity theft.!!!!
Hmmm, what would be a good list for you guys?

Let's see. Oh!

1. 5 in 5
2. Many passengers murdered
3. One a day in Flushing Bay
4. Election of scab to represent east domicile
5. Drug running
6. Up skirt shots of teens
7. Shoot outs
8. Impersonating others in emails
9. Assault on hotel employees
10. Crash landing in TPA killing the pitchman.
11. Taxing into dirt in BDL
12. Numerous tail strikes
13. Winglet not rudder of west aircraft
14. Appointment of scab as spokesman for union

Etc, etc.
 
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