US Pilots Labor Discussion

[cactusboy53]

If your first statement holds true (assuming all judicial avenues have been exhausted,) I agree with your last statement. I wouldn't vote yes, but I do think it would pass.

I just "+" nycbusdriver for the FIRST TIME! It's nice to see reason peak into these boards from time to time. I'll buy the first soda pop!

 

[Move2CLT]

Actually, I think such a contract would likely pass tomorrow (by a smaller margin) except USAPA wouldn't accept it until the legal process is over, hence nothing to vote on. I just believe that there's enough on the east side that are tired of being on the bottom contract-wise that would vote for a better contract to pass it when combined with the west MIGS.

Jim

Fully agree.

 

[Move2CLT]

I just "+" nycbusdriver for the FIRST TIME! It's nice to see reason peak into these boards from time to time. I'll buy the first soda pop!

And the other driver seems to be coming around as well.

What's going on here?!?!? :blink:

 

[aquagreen73s]

And the other driver seems to be coming around as well.

What's going on here?!?!? :blink:

Reconciliation.

 

[PullUp]

Unfortunately, I don't think the Silver decision will accomplish anything anytime soon. If she rules pro-Nic, the east will appeal. If she rules pro-USAPA, the west will appeal.
Then, another 6-18 months will roll by before the 9th makes their decision. Then, of course, one party or the other will submit to the SCOTUS for hearing. And that will take months more.
The only levers for getting to a new contract are a merger, Kasher, or capitulation by one side or the other.
Good luck everyone. Sit back and relax - prepare for three thousand new pages to follow - it'll take a while.
Cheers.

 

[prechilill]

Being the squeaky-wheel, USAPA’s counsel was first to answer Judge Silver’s questions. After a long-winded and rather circular argument for discovery by Patrick Szymanski, Judge Silver simply did not find validity in USAPA’s idea that discovery into post-merger career expectations somehow awards the union a lawful right to renege on the Transition Agreement and Nicolau Arbitration. Her focus was refined when Robert Siegel posited that US Airways believes the Nicolau is binding on all parties per the Transition Agreement (TA).

After arguments, Judge Silver decided to forgo lengthy and gratuitous discovery in favor of Expedited Summary Judgment on the legal issue at hand: US Airways liability under the undisputed facts of this case. An Expedited Summary Judgment is what the West and Airways argued for. USAPA apparently was aiming for an adjudication far more involved and time consuming than a summary judgment, but Judge Silver did not give USAPA what they wanted. Now, briefs will be submitted on January 17th and responses are due on February 10th. USAPA and the West will argue how the law applies to Counts I and II1. If Judge Silver decides that the law is clear as applied to the undisputed facts of the Airways case, then she can render a final decision that effectively ends the seniority dispute once and for all.

Finally, we leave you with the quote of the day offered by the Honorable Judge Silver when she responded to USAPA’s request for the Court Ordered Mediation by saying, “Mediation is a needless consumption of time.” We couldn’t agree more.


Sincerely,

Leonidas, LLC

Nice update. I love some things the east choose to ignore (at their own peril). If they just would get their collective heads out of their holes they would understand better why they are still on LOA 93 and will be for as long as they choose.

 

[fodase]

And you can F'ing die with no NIC as far as ANYBODY is concerned. Understand yet? 😛

Courtney, now this post makes you look more ridiculous than that blue shirt you were wearing in court.

 

[exB717Flyer]

While we are all familiar with US Airways lead counsel Robert Siegel,

I just looked up Siegel's cv on his firm's website. He represented UAL for the famous Rakestraw DFR case that USAPA cited so often during the Addington trial. I'd say he knows a thing or two about the subject which is why he had Judge Silver's ear.

 

[Move2CLT]

And you can F'ing die with no NIC as far as ANYBODY is concerned. Understand yet? 😛

You weren't that tough when you were talking to our CP about the using your yellow lanyard as a sunglasses holder, were you?

 

[Move2CLT]

Reconciliation.

Reality check?

 

[prechilill]

Courtney, now this post makes you look more ridiculous than that blue shirt you were wearing in court.

Dude, there is no way pizza the hut courtney could squeeze into a -9 cockpit. You've got to have the wrong moron.

 

[aquagreen73s]

Reality check?

Acceptance? As in the final stages of the grief process.

 

[aquagreen73s]

I just looked up Siegel's cv on his firm's website. He represented UAL for the famous Rakestraw DFR case that USAPA cited so often during the Addington trial. I'd say he knows a thing or two about the subject which is why he had Judge Silver's ear.

Oh yeah! Go back to the transcripts and look up the remedy hearing (I think it was late May of '09). $eham is in there arguing his twisted and completely inaccurate interpretation of Rakestraw and then Siegel gets up and says HE was the one who argued Rakestraw and what the case stands for is.....(proceeded to totally reject the $eham interpretation). It was C L A S S I C! $eham got pawned by the actual attorney who won that case!

 

[luvn737s]

Not sure what you mean by 8 "at bats" - if you mean 8 contracts I'm more optimistic than you.

The company would not offer everything at once. They would only sweeten the minimum amount to pass along with some threats to rescind the offers if not passed by some arbitrary date.

 

[767jetz]

And you can F'ing die with no NIC as far as ANYBODY is concerned. Understand yet? 😛

Hey 9,

Wasn't you squaking about how bad the west will look in court for declining USAPA's offer to mediate? Or was that Black Swan or someone else? Come on now, fess up. Who was it?

You guys did see this, right?

Honorable Judge Silver when she responded to USAPA’s request for the Court Ordered Mediation by saying, “Mediation is a needless consumption of time.”