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You suck, no you suck, no you still suck, no you suck more, i agree, I don't agree, your mother agrees, i am right, you are wrong, no you are wrong and i am right. Am not, am too.

There, that should hold me for a few days!

Off to x-mas shop now.
 
Integrating the pilot groups is easy.

Any agreement incorporates a one year moratorium prohibiting base fleet reductions, and pilot domicile bids, giving everbody a year to think about what is coming. During this year we do as much mixed training as possible. i.e. get east and West crewmembers doing AQP together. (maybe PHX captains all go to CLT for AQP, and PHL-CLT captains go to PHX)

Then once we have everybody settled down, we put one condition and restriction regarding base bids. That condition being, Move2Clt must stay in PHX as long as there are at least 20 PHX captains who have not put him on their NoFly list.

Sound Fair?......I am trying to work with you here!!!

Deal....
 
What is going to be exceptionally funny is the fact Leonidas as the "WEST PILOTS CLASS" has stupidly rejected mediation on the matter. Thus forcing USAPA to move forward without your input, which was sought. Read the 9th discussion carefully. When you are offered an opportunity to mediate a dispute and refuse it, you then are subject to the penalties of such non participation. Just because Leonidas continues to cling to an untenable bargaining position doesn't mean the rest of the parties cannot move on without that entity and its' participation. Your self inflicted harm. The harm is a direct result of your stubborness. And risk it is. Just as WYE RIVER was a point where the West decided to opt out of the reality of the union bargaining process. Where has that gotten you to this point? Nowhere. You have got to have the worst legal advice I have ever seen. Between Ferguson and Jacobs, nobody can figure things out from a correct legal perspective.

"It is, however,
at best, SPECULATIVE that a single CBA incorporating the
Nicolau Award would be ratified if presented to the union’s
membership. ALPA had been unable to broker a compromise
between the two pilot groups, and the East Pilots had
expressed their intentions not to ratify a CBA containing the
Nicolau Award. Thus, even under the district court’s injunction
mandating USAPA to pursue the Nicolau Award, it is
uncertain that the West Pilots’ preferred seniority system ever
would be effectuated.
" 9th court of Appeals San Francisco

Seems the 9th understood the fact which eludes you. Even if it happened that Silver said the Nic had to be used (which would be struck by the 9th) The 9th recognized the East pilots would NEVER ratify it. A point the West pilots cannot seem to grasp.
Once again your prediction did not come true. Your ability to read a situation failed you again. What was the penalty for not playing usapa's game? How is it usapa is going to move forward without the west?


What was it the judge said about mediation?

MR. SYZMANSKI: Your Honor, we have discussed in our
24 papers a request for mediation. But I assume that since the
25 opposition of the West class is that they don't see any reason 11:35:02
United States District Court
CV-10-01570-PHX-ROS, December 1, 2011
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1 to participate, that the Court doesn't see any utility in that. 11:35:05
2 THE COURT: Everybody -- one side is going to stand
3 stiffly against the other. It doesn't make any sense. It's a
needless consumption of time.
Thank you for raising that.
5 MR. SYZMANSKI: I appreciate that, Your Honor. 11:35:20
6 THE COURT: Mr. Harper?
7 MR. HARPER: We understand, Your Honor, and, yes, we
8 are. We are on board.
9 THE COURT: And so that is the way we'll go and we'll
10 see if we can resolve this case finally
.

It would seem that the advice that we are getting is spot on. The advice you are getting, not so much.

You guys should be happy about one thing. We are on board. We just happen to be on board with the judge and the court to move this forward fast and get to a final resolution.
 
Hey 9,

Wasn't you squaking about how bad the west will look in court for declining USAPA's offer to mediate? Or was that Black Swan or someone else? Come on now, fess up. Who was it?

You guys did see this, right?
Yo Jetz, welcome back did you elect to stay on the UAL list or the AWA list?
 
Yo Jetz, welcome back did you elect to stay on the UAL list or the AWA list?


Yo luvthe9,

Submit your statements as evidence to Judge Silver as why usair and many other legacy carriers were insolvent and laying off in the thousands. Please state why little old AWA was hiring when others were furloughing....

OTTER
 
You weren't that tough when you were talking to our CP about the using your yellow lanyard as a sunglasses holder, were you?
Where is it written one cannot wear the yellow lanyard? What cretin(s) decided that "word of mouth" is good enough?

Is that how the PHX girls do business? By word of mouth? Wearing mine all the time, especially in PHX.

Come out with something in writing or shutter it.

You know, the pilots have a great lever but, like sheep, they continue to bow down to thieves and drunks. Amazing.
 
Where is it written one cannot wear the yellow lanyard? What cretin(s) decided that "word of mouth" is good enough?

Is that how the PHX girls do business? By word of mouth? Wearing mine all the time, especially in PHX.

Come out with something in writing or shutter it.

You know, the pilots have a great lever but, like sheep, they continue to bow down to thieves and drunks. Amazing.
Um ya, the company put out a letter regarding this. Did you not get it?

And I've gone through CLT and PHL a number of times the past few weeks and not one yellow lanyard. No highlighter and no yellow bracelets either.

So you're basically FoS.

And don't let me catch you wearing it in PHX.
 
Compass Correction Coalition Update: December 3, 2011

From Lee Seham to the Officers and BPR of USAPA:

A letter dated November 21, 2011

To the Members of the USAPA BPR:

Dear Sirs,

It was only last week that we learned that neither Sarah McShea nor Mr. O’Dwyer disclosed to the USAPA Board of Pilot Representatives our letter dated October 31, 2011. We understand that the BPR is now in possession of that letter and we attach hereto the subpoenaed information identifying the owner of the IP address from which the offending e-mails were sent.

As discussed in greater detail in the October 31 letter, the subject e-mails misappropriate the identity of SSMPL employee Nick Granath and falsely ascribe to his authorship statements against his employer alleging alcoholism and extortion. The federal litigation that produced the subpoenaed evidence establishing of the ownership of the IP address from which the e-mails originated has been discontinued pending a definitive determination of the e-mails’ author.

Because it appears that the e-mails were authored by a USAPA Officer and / or USAPA attorney, we request the BPR’s assistance in making a final identification. We are further requesting that the BPR confirm that the association condemns the actions of the author(s) and that it no way authorized or ratifies the actions involved.

In a similar vein, our legal counsel advised us last week that Ms. McShea declined to listen to our objections to the Association’s letter to its membership dated November 6, 2011 titled the "Lee Seham issue," stating that the matter was beyond the scope of her assignment. We are obliged, therefore, to present our concerns to the BPR directly.

As a threshold matter, we want to state that there is no "Lee Seham" issue in terms of the scope of our relationship with the Association. We fully accept the BPR’s decision to remove our firm from all representational duties other than those related to negotiations. Nor do we seek reinstatement to any of the litigation matters now pending because in each instance, we could not endorse the Association’s current legal strategy. If it is USAPA’s desire to remove our firm from its negotiations-related work, it meets with no resistance on our part.

What our firm will resist, however, is the malicious publication of statements that Board members known to be defamatory and which are, in fact, contradicted by the Associations own published communications.

Following publication of misleading statements relating to our relationship with other clients, the November 6, letter asserts that our firm breached its "fiduciary obligation" to USAPA by participating in teleconferences with certain Board members.

One of the two teleconferences involved the BPR’s request for advice concerning its obligation to investigate the allegations that USAPA Vice President had physically assaulted the USAPA Secretary-Treasurer in the Association Offices. We are advised by a Representative of the Communications Committee that a Board majority had requested our advice and we, therefore, considered ourselves under a fiduciary obligation to respond.

The second teleconference was called pursuant to Association policy, which granted authority to any four members of the BPR to discuss issues with legal counsel. Far from being a breach of"fiduciary obligation", here too we had an affirmative obligation to participate in the teleconference and answer Board members’ questions. Moreover contrary to the letter’s insinuations, the Boards participants can confirm that no one in our firm contacted a single Board member prior to that teleconference. In short, we avoided political conflict as much as we were permitted to under the policy of USAPA’s Board.

The truth of what transpired is confirmed by the DCA Domicile update dated November 14, 2011, which was presumably by the Associations Communications Committee. In sum, USAPA, itself has confirmed that the November 6 letter untruthfully asserts that our firm violated its fiduciary obligations.

Equally defamatory is the statement that "Mr. Seham was in full favor and support of the of EDNY filing- right up until the time that he wasn’t the one filing the case." This repeats the slander stated to the BPR that the firm’s legal opinion changed due to the fact that we would not be receiving fees generated by the litigation.

While the firm had discussed with a USAPA officer the possibility of a first-strike litigation based on safety-related issues, we never did and never would have approved the EDNY filing. As we advised the Board, since key allegations contained in the complaint cannot be sustained, the puts the Grievance Committee and Negotiating Committee at risk. As we further advised the Board, the EDNY litigation undercuts what had been the Associations position in the declaratory judgment action in a manner that we would never have condoned.

The EDNY litigation was kept secret from our firm. Paul Diorio stood before the Board and advised that he had been directed not to let negotiating counsel have any notice of the lawsuit. No draft of the suit was sent to us nor any notice whatsoever of the intended filing. There is no correspondence of e-mail that could show otherwise.

We would never have approved the EDNY filing. In our view, it has potentially disastrous consequences for the Association and we herein repeat our strongest advice that it be withdrawn without delay. The allegation that we approved of the EDNY filing and then changed our legal opinion due to monetary considerations is defamatory. Indeed at the time the firm was investigating and preparing litigation over the disclosure of confidential pilot information and was doing so in accordance with the President’s instructions.

As the BPR is aware, two of my colleagues reported to me that the Vice President stated to them that it was his objective to "destroy" our law firm based on his displeasure over the firm’s treatment of his girlfriend. At the BPR’s August 25, 2011 meeting, the Vice President read a written statement which previously had been delivered to me and our colleague Stanley Silverstone, in which he asserted that notwithstanding USAPA’s "very productive" relationship with our firm, the professional relationship was subject to termination due to the firm’s purported ill--treatment of his girl friend. The e-mails falsely attributed to Nick Granath and the November 6 letter to the membership reflect a level of malice that we have never before confronted. We request that the Association print a retraction of the above-referenced defamatory statements and that it desist from any further efforts to destroy our firm.

The apparent willingness to interfere with our firms electronic communications also leads us to request that the BPR direct the vice President to disclose the source of the confidential e-mail correspondence between me and Nick Granath that he read to the BPR at its meeting of August 25, 2011, in which Mr. Granath expressed concerns about the impact that the USAPA Vice President’s relationship with his girlfriend would have on our firm.

Such disclosure is compelled by the interests of the Association, the law firm, and the law firm’s clients so that we may investigate whether the integrity of our electronic files have been compromised.

Unfortunately, Ms. McShea has demanded that we not discuss with the BPR audit-related issues, including the Association’s failure to pay any of our bills subsequent to August 1, 2011, and we will comply with that demand.

Sincerely,

Lee Seham
 
Compass Correction Coalition Update: December 3, 2011

From Lee Seham to the Officers and BPR of USAPA:

A letter dated November 21, 2011

To the Members of the USAPA BPR:

Dear Sirs,

It was only last week that we learned that neither Sarah McShea nor Mr. O’Dwyer disclosed to the USAPA Board of Pilot Representatives our letter dated October 31, 2011. We understand that the BPR is now in possession of that letter and we attach hereto the subpoenaed information identifying the owner of the IP address from which the offending e-mails were sent.

As discussed in greater detail in the October 31 letter, the subject e-mails misappropriate the identity of SSMPL employee Nick Granath and falsely ascribe to his authorship statements against his employer alleging alcoholism and extortion. The federal litigation that produced the subpoenaed evidence establishing of the ownership of the IP address from which the e-mails originated has been discontinued pending a definitive determination of the e-mails’ author.

Because it appears that the e-mails were authored by a USAPA Officer and / or USAPA attorney, we request the BPR’s assistance in making a final identification. We are further requesting that the BPR confirm that the association condemns the actions of the author(s) and that it no way authorized or ratifies the actions involved.

In a similar vein, our legal counsel advised us last week that Ms. McShea declined to listen to our objections to the Association’s letter to its membership dated November 6, 2011 titled the "Lee Seham issue," stating that the matter was beyond the scope of her assignment. We are obliged, therefore, to present our concerns to the BPR directly.

As a threshold matter, we want to state that there is no "Lee Seham" issue in terms of the scope of our relationship with the Association. We fully accept the BPR’s decision to remove our firm from all representational duties other than those related to negotiations. Nor do we seek reinstatement to any of the litigation matters now pending because in each instance, we could not endorse the Association’s current legal strategy. If it is USAPA’s desire to remove our firm from its negotiations-related work, it meets with no resistance on our part.

What our firm will resist, however, is the malicious publication of statements that Board members known to be defamatory and which are, in fact, contradicted by the Associations own published communications.

Following publication of misleading statements relating to our relationship with other clients, the November 6, letter asserts that our firm breached its "fiduciary obligation" to USAPA by participating in teleconferences with certain Board members.

One of the two teleconferences involved the BPR’s request for advice concerning its obligation to investigate the allegations that USAPA Vice President had physically assaulted the USAPA Secretary-Treasurer in the Association Offices. We are advised by a Representative of the Communications Committee that a Board majority had requested our advice and we, therefore, considered ourselves under a fiduciary obligation to respond.

The second teleconference was called pursuant to Association policy, which granted authority to any four members of the BPR to discuss issues with legal counsel. Far from being a breach of"fiduciary obligation", here too we had an affirmative obligation to participate in the teleconference and answer Board members’ questions. Moreover contrary to the letter’s insinuations, the Boards participants can confirm that no one in our firm contacted a single Board member prior to that teleconference. In short, we avoided political conflict as much as we were permitted to under the policy of USAPA’s Board.

The truth of what transpired is confirmed by the DCA Domicile update dated November 14, 2011, which was presumably by the Associations Communications Committee. In sum, USAPA, itself has confirmed that the November 6 letter untruthfully asserts that our firm violated its fiduciary obligations.

Equally defamatory is the statement that "Mr. Seham was in full favor and support of the of EDNY filing- right up until the time that he wasn’t the one filing the case." This repeats the slander stated to the BPR that the firm’s legal opinion changed due to the fact that we would not be receiving fees generated by the litigation.

While the firm had discussed with a USAPA officer the possibility of a first-strike litigation based on safety-related issues, we never did and never would have approved the EDNY filing. As we advised the Board, since key allegations contained in the complaint cannot be sustained, the puts the Grievance Committee and Negotiating Committee at risk. As we further advised the Board, the EDNY litigation undercuts what had been the Associations position in the declaratory judgment action in a manner that we would never have condoned.

The EDNY litigation was kept secret from our firm. Paul Diorio stood before the Board and advised that he had been directed not to let negotiating counsel have any notice of the lawsuit. No draft of the suit was sent to us nor any notice whatsoever of the intended filing. There is no correspondence of e-mail that could show otherwise.

We would never have approved the EDNY filing. In our view, it has potentially disastrous consequences for the Association and we herein repeat our strongest advice that it be withdrawn without delay. The allegation that we approved of the EDNY filing and then changed our legal opinion due to monetary considerations is defamatory. Indeed at the time the firm was investigating and preparing litigation over the disclosure of confidential pilot information and was doing so in accordance with the President’s instructions.

As the BPR is aware, two of my colleagues reported to me that the Vice President stated to them that it was his objective to "destroy" our law firm based on his displeasure over the firm’s treatment of his girlfriend. At the BPR’s August 25, 2011 meeting, the Vice President read a written statement which previously had been delivered to me and our colleague Stanley Silverstone, in which he asserted that notwithstanding USAPA’s "very productive" relationship with our firm, the professional relationship was subject to termination due to the firm’s purported ill--treatment of his girl friend. The e-mails falsely attributed to Nick Granath and the November 6 letter to the membership reflect a level of malice that we have never before confronted. We request that the Association print a retraction of the above-referenced defamatory statements and that it desist from any further efforts to destroy our firm.

The apparent willingness to interfere with our firms electronic communications also leads us to request that the BPR direct the vice President to disclose the source of the confidential e-mail correspondence between me and Nick Granath that he read to the BPR at its meeting of August 25, 2011, in which Mr. Granath expressed concerns about the impact that the USAPA Vice President’s relationship with his girlfriend would have on our firm.

Such disclosure is compelled by the interests of the Association, the law firm, and the law firm’s clients so that we may investigate whether the integrity of our electronic files have been compromised.

Unfortunately, Ms. McShea has demanded that we not discuss with the BPR audit-related issues, including the Association’s failure to pay any of our bills subsequent to August 1, 2011, and we will comply with that demand.
Sincerely,

Lee Seham


Well there is two tidbits for everybody.

Little Lee just made it public that usapa was preparing to sue somebody over the AOL mailings list. Company (deeper pockets) or AOL,,,,,or maybe both??

And, usapa has stiffed him since August...He hasn't been paid in over four months.

So, here is my question,,,(wish HP-FA still posted here),,,is e-mail fraud a felony? and, as an officer of the court is Seeham duty bound to report such? What I really want to know and am asking, is can Seeham seek money damages, or does he have to first get a DA to go for criminal charges? In otherwords, again because I really do not know the correct phraseology here, does Seeham have to see that charges are pressed against the owner of the "alleged" IP adress in order to then seek something from the association?

I would think he could not, again as a liscensed attorney, knowing that a crime had been commited, just say, "hey, pay me, never let it happen again, and we will sweep the rest under the rug".
 
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