US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Rookie Jr]

It is unfortunate that you guys can't see what the advantage would have been for East and West if we had won the Kasher dicision......but I am not surprised.

breeze

Yeah, sure. You would have taken your money and gloated until your heads exploded. Then you would have done everything in your power to stall as long as you possibly could.

 

[Rookie Jr]

It will be interesting to see if some of the "older" pilots begin to bail now. They said they would if we lost, we will see now.

If the East would have won, the company would have been incentivized to negotiate an new contract. Now, not so much. Both East and West are screwed by this decision.

Wake up. The company has begun to give signs that it wants to get this done. With the AA BK they are motivated to make a deal. Ucrapa faithful are the only ones who would benefit from additional stalling.

 

[OTTER574]

If it's not in the contract, the company can't do it without it being grieved. The only leverage in the east contract is the split sick bank - after 60 hours/calenday year it takes more than just a phone call to scheduling to use sick time.

The injunction should have no effect on anyone wanting to retire early. I just question how many will.

Jim

And to clarify, that's what I was wondering.

OTTER

 

[Rookie Jr]

The rest of our careers with large groups of pilots hating each other. But hey, it's worked great so far.

It may have worked great for you but we on the west have higher standards.

 

[Pi brat]

Hey Pi, can you explain this? 11/21 update said there was no decision yet in the second week of Nov it was released.

Look here-

From the Nov 21st Charlotte Update.


Grievance LOA 93 Update

This update is designed to inform the pilot group regarding the current status of Grievance LOA 93. We wish to start by unequivocally stating that at the time of writing we have not received either a decision or any form of indication as to how the Arbitrator will rule in this case. The countless rumors that have been spread in relation to this case are completely without merit and amount to pure fabrication. The high profile nature of this case has triggered many avenues for speculation and misinformation that have been falsely attributed to "sources in the know." We are aware that this misinformation has ranged from statements that the decision has already been received through to the nature of that decision. All of these rumors are false and we ask that you ignore all of these sources of misinformation. When there is definitive news then it will be released by the Union's Grievance Committee, and in the meantime, all other sources of information should be disregarded.



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Grievance Committee Chair Tracy Parrella provided the following information during today's BPR Special Meeting.
Although the Union does not discuss arbitrators' decisions when in a draft form, we have very unusual and extenuating circumstances, which we believe dictate a change in our long standing practice of maintaining strict confidentiality -- for this specific dispute only.
Arbitrator Kasher suffered a very serious medical emergency approximately two weeks ago. He is recovering; however, he informed both USAPA and the Company that he would not continue his work until released from his doctor to do so.
During the second week of November a draft decision was released to the parties, and the Union requested an Executive Session, which was scheduled for December 13. Obviously, that has now been postponed indefinitely.
Unfortunately, the Union did not prevail.

Yes, the first was from the CLT reps, the second was from the grievance committee.

 

[Move2CLT]

LMAO!

This just in from our PHX rep-


Tracy started by saying Kasher was having health issues and would be out for a long time. My thought was crap we are never going to get an answer. But then she just came out and said it. "we did not prevail"

Tracy read the statement to the board. looking around the room their faces were slack. Stunned silence. They could not believe it. Probably 10 seconds of silence before I asked a question.

Very few questions from any of them.

 

[Keroseneuser]

Who owns and manages the LTD on the east? I thought it was the company. Can the company be more forceful in who and how many use it to bailout early without true cause? Especially with a Federal injunction imposed against usapa by Judge Conrad.

OTTER

Actually Otter, for a lot of the over 60 guys the hard part is KEEPING their medical, not the other way around. We are an old group here overall. No telling how many guys are on blood pressure medicine etc just to keep 1st class limits.

Company cannot do anything about a guy retiring before 65, it is his choice. The LTD part yes, if it is fraudelent. However we all know how you have to watch your health just to keep medicals even in your late 40's and 50's. To be honest, a week of eating nothing but greasy fast food prior to a medical would drive your system all out of whack.

If they have had enough and want to go, they will go. Guess the next few months will see what they do.

 

[Rookie Jr]

Succeed at what? What have you succeeded at so far? Get it?

We have so far succeeded in preventing you from unjustly imposing your will on our side. That in itself is priceless. The company just succeeded in preventing your side from unjustly imposing your will on the company. The Cactus 18 succeeded in preventing you from unjustly imposing your will on them. Are you beginning to see a pattern here?

 

[Rookie Jr]

Lose some, lose some: $100.000 in company deposited savings since the merger was announced, MUN,FRA,CDG,FCO, a day in Jerusalem...Christmas with the family...status quo as long as it last...Noel.

Get over yourself.

 

[Rookie Jr]

Nice. Good for you.

Now what a out the lower half of your seniority list. What about your junior Capts?

Didn't even cross your mind, did it?

Why would it? He's got his. That's all that matters.

 

[No Land Green]

Now what a out the lower half of your seniority list. What about your junior Capts?

Do you even care about these people on the East side?

 

[high*flyer]

Nice. Good for you.

Now what a out the lower half of your seniority list. What about your junior Capts?

Didn't even cross your mind, did it?

 

[high*flyer]

I've adjusted to my lot in life... you?

 

[Pi brat]

Are you beginning to see a pattern here?

ABSOLUTELY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 🙂

Congrats on WINNING. Don't spend it all in one place.

 

[wopr21]

You think so wopr? Ask me how the injunction mucks up that strategy.

The injunction has nothing to do with how much sick time has been accrued.
It is not worth working here for the last few month till your 65. Why leave the company with earned sick time.

wopr