US Pilots Labor Discussion

[wopr21]

Over the decades the trend seems to be many crew members who are sick come to work. Maybe now these same people will take sick leave instead of coming to work sick and getting others around them sick. If you have sick time and you are sick there is nothing illegal calling off sick. Sick time is an earned benefit. Bottom line is if you are sick you should not be at work, injunction or no injunction.

Thank you No Land Green

 

[Rookie Jr]

Okay easties, heads up. When you rain on the westie's perceived wins they get really pissy. It's not worth it.

No one is pissy, except maybe you. You should be, however, you lost big today.

 

[Res Judicata]

So what will be the next event that's "just around corner" that will restore the Easties to their Glory of 1984? I'm sure USCABA will trump up something...they've had a month to work on it. Transparancy my ASS.

 

[luvthe9]

This is also a loss for you westies but I guess you just have tunnel vision, we would have had to try to get you pay up also. Oh well.

 

[Move2CLT]

This is also a loss for you westies but I guess you just have tunnel vision, we would have had to try to get you pay up also. Oh well.

No. You're on LOA93 and we're not.

This is yours and yours alone.

Now back to your bucket.

 

[Res Judicata]

This is also a loss for you westies but I guess you just have tunnel vision, we would have had to try to get you pay up also. Oh well.

That's OK. We don't need the money. Thanks for all your heartfelt concern.

 

[Move2CLT]

Do you really think EVERY sick call on the East is bogus?

No, not at all.

But that coming spike will put USAPA back into the courtroom.

 

[luvthe9]

That's OK. We don't need the money. Thanks for all your heartfelt concern.

Your welcome.

 

[Move2CLT]

Swan? Mutation?

Where are you guys?

 

[Move2CLT]

Your welcome.

9-piece is funny.

 

[USA320Pilot]

Maybe we now know why Scott Theure, Tom Kubik, and Eric Jordan resigned from their USAPA positions.

 

[767jetz]

How is Black Swan doing tonight? Anyone hear from Reed Richards? God, please god, keep them safe (from themselves). I imagine both, as well as many others like my bud 9-piece, are going through a lot right now. Best wishes to all

Where do we stand on luvthe9's long list of predictions?

 

[Keroseneuser]

Well here is where we are.

The east is on loa 93, the west is stuck stagnent with a joint contract of some kind the only way out for both sides.

Barring any steller payscales offered from the company:

1/3 of the east active list (voters) is a near 100% no vote on a NIC list due to the 1750 retirements in the next nine and the 2700 in the next 14. Any NIC list puts them below 1600 west guys that only bring an extra 400 retirements in the next 9 and 785 in the next 15.

The middle 1/3 of the east active list will be inclined to vote no the farther down the blended list it gets.

The upper 1/3 of the east active list is the wests best shot of help in getting a NIC voted in.

The west f/o's are a near 100% yes vote for a NIC.

The west Captains will be a mixed bag, the bigger the hit they take in a combined list the more money it will take to get a yes vote and add a bunch of east guys above them, but they also have the east attrition added, so probably the lower half of the west capt.s would vote yes.

Now if it looks like PHX will be reduced in size a good bit and force them east, that will reduce the yes votes. especially since we still have a lot of ex PSA guys that are most likely senior to them and might like to bid PHX to get back to their extended families or whatever.

So really, in the end it is going to come down to what Tempe wants. If they pay enough they can get a NIC voted in easily. If they lowball on pay and work rules they probably cannot get a NIC voted in.

The options?:

NIC, NIC with base and seat protections, NIC with Base, seat and attrition protections, DOH, DOH with the afore mentioned protections, or some new list that includes all active pilots and protections. Or some AA or other merger scenario.

Thats kinda the way I see the situation right now. For me, if Kirby or someoter equally crappy offer is all the company is going to cough up, I will wait for the retirements on LOA 93. If Tempe comes up with something that resembles industry standard I will look very hard at it. For me NIC is the difference between widebody and narrowbody. But each person will have to look at their own situation.

 

[767jetz]

Yeah, sure. You would have taken your money and gloated until your heads exploded. Then you would have done everything in your power to stall as long as you possibly could.

So true. Isn't is funny how some on the east were saying that a Kasher win would mean the west is done. They would take the pay and the west could choke on the Nic. History proves that they gloat at any perceived victory. Now they cry that you guys are sore winners. I've been saying for a long time that a loss from Kasher will be the beginning of the end of their DOH pipe dream. Now we get to see if I was right. In the end, binding WILL be binding.

While the west had nothing to do with this loss, I congratulate you regardless for standing strong against the tyrants and letting their experiment implode.

 

[fodase]

Well here is where we are.

The east is on loa 93, the west is stuck stagnent with a joint contract of some kind the only way out for both sides.

Barring any steller payscales offered from the company:

1/3 of the east active list (voters) is a near 100% no vote on a NIC list due to the 1750 retirements in the next nine and the 2700 in the next 14. Any NIC list puts them below 1600 west guys that only bring an extra 400 retirements in the next 9 and 785 in the next 15.

The middle 1/3 of the east active list will be inclined to vote no the farther down the blended list it gets.

The upper 1/3 of the east active list is the wests best shot of help in getting a NIC voted in.

The west f/o's are a near 100% yes vote for a NIC.

The west Captains will be a mixed bag, the bigger the hit they take in a combined list the more money it will take to get a yes vote and add a bunch of east guys above them, but they also have the east attrition added, so probably the lower half of the west capt.s would vote yes.

Now if it looks like PHX will be reduced in size a good bit and force them east, that will reduce the yes votes.

So really, in the end it is going to come down to what Tempe wants. If they pay enough they can get a NIC voted in easily. If they lowball on pay and work rules they probably cannot get a NIC voted in.

The options?:

NIC, NIC with base and seat protections, NIC with Base, seat and attrition protections, DOH, DOH with the afore mentioned protections, or some new list that includes all active pilots and protections. Or some AA or other merger scenario.

Thats kinda the way I see the situation right now. For me, if Kirby or someoter equally crappy offer is all the company is going to cough up, I will wait for the retirements on LOA 93. If Tempe comes up with something that resembles industry standard I will look very hard at it. For me NIC is the difference between widebody and narrowbody. But each person will have to look at their own situation.

Still negotiating the nic. Huh?