US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Rookie Jr]

alpa
Sad that had the west ALPA agreed to ten year fence, they have this airline by the balls and we would still be ALPA. Water over the dam. The good news might be that if we do a 3 way relative position with American, the senior west pilots will come out much better than they did with the NIC.

alpa
sad that had alpa done the right thing and turned the arbitrator's decision right over to the company we would not be in this mess. Sad the fat useless alpa president made improper remarks regarding said arbitrator's decision. Sad the west did not file DFR against alpa and fat useless president.

Sad that the east felt empowered to attempt to overturn an arbitration because of alpa and fat useless president. The good news is that ehe DJ will be settled in an expedited manner and there will be no need for a three way with American. The good news is that ucrapa is soon to be ancient history and more good news is that McKaskill/Bond is in place to prevent APA from having their way with us do to our most useless "union" representation.

 

[Rookie Jr]

East DOH or nothing folks, west NIC or nothing folks, and mgmt. I think you could have had the pope running the union the last 4 years and not seen a single thing accomplished. Once NIC came out the two sides were polarized and no matter what said pope could have done he would not have been able to get a yes vote on anything other than huge money from Tempe, just like today.

But who did what is a moot point right now. It is irrelevant to where we are now. It is done and now it is 2011. Late 2012 or 2013 would be the earliest possible vote on a T/A I think. When its time to vote, not a single pilot on the property east or west will give a crap what things were in 2005.

When the Nic came out both sides should not have been polarized. You signed on to follow the alpa merger policy and to accept its outcome. You reneged when you didn't get your way. Something tells me that the Pope would not have played your game.

Keep your eyes wide open. It is apparent that Parker wants to end this now. He will and I doubt that your one vote will have much to say about it.

Your side did this. It's on you. I am only too happy to see it soon coming to an end and extremely happy to see the east failing at every turn.

 

[Keroseneuser]

When the Nic came out both sides should not have been polarized. You signed on to follow the alpa merger policy and to accept its outcome. You reneged when you didn't get your way. Something tells me that the Pope would not have played your game.

Keep your eyes wide open. It is apparent that Parker wants to end this now. He will and I doubt that your one vote will have much to say about it.

Your side did this. It's on you. I am only too happy to see it soon coming to an end and extremely happy to see the east failing at every turn.

How on earth did you expect the two sides to not be polarized by NIC? That single thing brought the east group from simply disgruntled with ALPA from the BK mess to a full blown revolt. From the time NIC was published we have been exactly where we are now.

As an east pilot, and having friends on the west i can tell you for a fact that we are talking about a whole lot more votes than just my one. So it comes down to Parker as you said. Only problem is in his world he would love to have you guys on our payscale, not the other way around. Unless he needs it for a merger, he really does not care if the two groups are unified. ANYTHING other than what he has now costs him 100 million minimum, his own words. So far this year we are not up a 100 mill in profit. He is a numbers guy, and he will always be a numbers guy.

 

[cactusboy53]

No actually I didnt, I just didnt gain. But from how you view your "loss" with the nic I can see how you reason that out.

My next pay check wont be less than the last.

That statement is true this month. Will it be true starting in January? I remember reading something that the east pilot group will be charged a larger amount of $$ for insurance premiums. I don't recall where I read that, but I will look and post here when I do find it.

CB

 

[jetjok1]

You know as well as anybody that most of us want a contract. I think Judge Silver will answer the key question soon enough and we can get on with it. Of course, any willingness on the part of the pilot group will be countered with the opposite from the company. I wonder what they will use next to delay neogtiations?

Driver...

I have always said that we would lose LOA93 and, when we did, we needed to come together and move on to get a new contract. Well, that time is here. Let's move on, accept the loss, and work together. USAPA- give it up......... You failed miserably.

 

[Keroseneuser]

That statement is true this month. Will it be true starting in January? I remember reading something that the east pilot group will be charged a larger amount of $$ for insurance premiums. I don't recall where I read that, but I will look and post here when I do find it.

CB

Yes, thats true. The biggest hit was for the 100/80 plan. Cannot speak for others. But with me the increase was negligable. In fact in my case for what i needed my costs will be less this year.

 

[Keroseneuser]

I have always said that we would lose LOA93 and, when we did, we needed to come together and move on to get a new contract. Well, that time is here. Let's move on, accept the loss, and work together. USAPA- give it up......... You failed miserably.

Agreed. However to make that happen is probably going to mean really pissing off the DOH, and NIC crowd. It will take the middle of the road majority to find something that can be voted in.

I don't see any leadership either in USAPA or AOL that can make it happen. It will take moderates from both sides in office for it to work.

 

[cactusboy53]

That's alright. If the company wins damages in a jury trial for an illegal job action, the west pilots will have to pay as well. got your ck book handy?

Uhhhhhhm, you did read the filings and transcripts, RIGHT????? There was this little paper in the filings that COMPARED the the west operations vs. the east operations. The company is spring loaded to make examples out of anyone that violates the injunction (and I'm pretty sure there are no west names on that Naughty List).

Don't you suppose a seated judge is smart enough to protect those that DID NOT CAUSE the harm listed in the injunction?

Now that is just me thinking LOGICALLY vs. EMOTIONALLY. IMHO.

 

[Pi brat]

That statement is true this month. Will it be true starting in January? I remember reading something that the east pilot group will be charged a larger amount of $$ for insurance premiums. I don't recall where I read that, but I will look and post here when I do find it.

CB

Good Lord you are right CB53! I think it is going to drop about $30 a month! What will I do? Not only that, I'm not getting a free replacement uniform jacket! Call the BPR! Give in! Whatever it takes!

When you post something like that do you really expect easties to run off to reform USAPA? You just sound desperate.

Really? Don't spend all that F/O 737 to F/O A320 raise you got all in one place.

My wife and I got two out of college this year, so I got a big raise! ;-)

 

[Pi brat]

How on earth did you expect the two sides to not be polarized by NIC?

The fact that we are here says it all about the Nic. We are within spitting distance of collectively giving up a Billion dollars over this. That means it was worth it for BOTH sides. It hasn't hurt enough to quit. When it does, we will. Maybe that day was yesterday, but I doubt it.

 

[Keroseneuser]

The fact that we are here says it all about the Nic. We are within spitting distance of collectively giving up a Billion dollars over this. That means it was worth it for BOTH sides. It hasn't hurt enough to quit. When it does, we will. Maybe that day was yesterday, but I doubt it.

Yeah, as a group don't think we have hit that point yet.

Think we are far enough along in the mutual pain to meet in the middle. But as I said above it would have to be leadership NOT from the DOH, or the NIC groups. Neither side of that issue can win anything right now.

 

[Pi brat]

I have always said that we would lose LOA93 and, when we did, we needed to come together and move on to get a new contract. Well, that time is here. Let's move on, accept the loss, and work together. USAPA- give it up......... You failed miserably.

That's a nice thought, but you have forgotten what you have read here. There is no intention of the west working together on anything. Period. It's burn it down, run out the rats(their term) and then start over. I think that is short sighted as I don't see them having the horsepower to deliver on the starting over part. They are not like the US with a Marshall plan, they are the other part of the pilot group that the company wants to, well you know.

For any east pilot that wants to punish the company, don't. That message at the bottom of Tray's message was not a wink and a nod. They made it clear at the CLT the other day that there is no place for illegal job actions here and the company is on the look out. Don't get fired for something stupid.

I'm taking a break, but don't worry uhaul. I know you will miss me, I'll be back. Family time.

 

[Move2CLT]

That statement is true this month. Will it be true starting in January? I remember reading something that the east pilot group will be charged a larger amount of $$ for insurance premiums. I don't recall where I read that, but I will look and post here when I do find it.

CB

LMAO!!

 

[Move2CLT]

That's a nice thought, but you have forgotten what you have read here. There is no intention of the west working together on anything. Period. It's burn it down, run out the rats(their term) and then start over. I think that is short sighted as I don't see them having the horsepower to deliver on the starting over part. They are not like the US with a Marshall plan, they are the other part of the pilot group that the company wants to, well you know.

For any east pilot that wants to punish the company, don't. That message at the bottom of Tray's message was not a wink and a nod. They made it clear at the CLT the other day that there is no place for illegal job actions here and the company is on the look out. Don't get fired for something stupid.

I'm taking a break, but don't worry uhaul. I know you will miss me, I'll be back. Family time.

I'm counting the minutes until you return. Say hey to Mrs. hair Pi for me.

 

[cleardirect]

East DOH or nothing folks, west NIC or nothing folks, and mgmt. I think you could have had the pope running the union the last 4 years and not seen a single thing accomplished. Once NIC came out the two sides were polarized and no matter what said pope could have done he would not have been able to get a yes vote on anything other than huge money from Tempe, just like today.

But who did what is a moot point right now. It is irrelevant to where we are now. It is done and now it is 2011. Late 2012 or 2013 would be the earliest possible vote on a T/A I think. When its time to vote, not a single pilot on the property east or west will give a crap what things were in 2005.

BS flag.

How many times do we have to listen to the whining of the east about what happened in 2003/ 2001/ 1999/ 1980 ect.

Why do we still hear about how much you "gave to the company"? It does not matter anymore right. According to your logic.