US Pilots Labor Discussion

[nevergiveup]

Do you realize how many times that has been answered on these boards? How many times the transcripts have been quoted?

No, make the effort. Quit being a lazy eastie.

As I've stated before, by putting in a little effort researching things, you may stumble upon other truths as well.

Its for your own good that you do it on your own.

Guess you don't know. I don't read the boards all day long like some do. I'd be grateful for an answer from someone.

 

[cynic]

So what then does the part about USAPA being able to use something else mean?

USAPA could come up with a list that was better for the west than Nic, in theory. In reality, that list would be grounds for a DFR by the east. Plus, we all know that is not the intent of the union. The 9th was dealing solely with legal theory and not with the reality of the case in front of them. I'm not saying that they were wrong, simply that the ruling was made strictly on legal theory.

 

[nic4us]

So what then does the part about USAPA being able to use something else mean?

The 9th did not say usapa could use something else.

What the 9th did was offer a hypothetical scenario that said usapa might find a non-Nic compromise in ongoing negotiations with the company, that is suitable to the West to the point that the West would not further sue. In other words, the part that says "even if that proposal does not include the Nic", really leaves the determination of what usapa could use up to the West pilot class, NOT usapa.

Stand by for BlackSwan to blow a fuse.

oh, and when something is "frozen",,,it thaws to reveal the exact same thing that was frozen,,, in the east's case, reduced rates of pay.

 

[Move2CLT]

The 9th did not say usapa could use something else.

What the 9th did was offer a hypothetical scenario that said usapa might find a non-Nic compromise in ongoing negotiations with the company, that is suitable to the West to the point that the West would not further sue. In other words, the part that says "even if that proposal does not include the Nic", really leaves the determination of what usapa could use up to the West pilot class, NOT usapa.

Stand by for BlackSwan to blow a fuse.

oh, and when something is "frozen",,,it thaws to reveal the exact same thing that was frozen,,, in the east's case, reduced rates of pay.

You're enabling him.

 

[Move2CLT]

Guess you don't know.

Ya, that's it.

I don't read the boards all day long like some do. I'd be grateful for an answer from someone.

Maybe you lack the effort? Maybe that's it.

 

[nevergiveup]

The 9th did not say usapa could use something else.

What the 9th did was offer a hypothetical scenario that said usapa might find a non-Nic compromise in ongoing negotiations with the company, that is suitable to the West to the point that the West would not further sue. In other words, the part that says "even if that proposal does not include the Nic", really leaves the determination of what usapa could use up to the West pilot class, NOT usapa.

Stand by for BlackSwan to blow a fuse.

oh, and when something is "frozen",,,it thaws to reveal the exact same thing that was frozen,,, in the east's case, reduced rates of pay.

Thank you.

 

[nic4us]

You're enabling him.

Maybe.....but you are just pissing him off.

Besides, for every poster, there are many more lurkers. You think an American pilot visiting this thread has read all the thousands of pages of transcripts and post from the last 6 years?

 

[Move2CLT]

Maybe.....but you are just pissing him off.

He's already pissed off.

At the west, Nic, AoL, Parker, the world...

 

[cactusboy53]

Your choice...you have a big enough block to make a change and you choose not to. All your committee members QUIT!
Frankly, I don't think you people WANT change. As long as you can play the victim, the better chance you think you have in court of having a payday. This is my theory because I can't understand any other reason for your inaction.

As far as the proceedings, I'm just not inclined to spend my day off going through the transcripts again where Judge Silver discribes an overideing legal question that must be answered before anything else can happen. Look it up...it's at the end somewhere.


Driver...

BS flag on the play. By ourselves we can not do a thing as a block (look at the early votes when we voted on various resolutions).

The only committee "member" to "quit" was on the NAC, and that is AFTER he gave el presidente a REASONABLE ultimatum (the Transition Agreement states that the company will pay FPL for "3 east and 3 west" negotiators, not a bad deal for a union that is BLEEDING FPL $$). El Presidente Cleary fired all the other committee members (NONE of which were committee chairmen). We have NO PHX based pilots that are committee chairmen on what I would consider key committees (NAC, Merger, Grievance, Communications, etc.).

I find it difficult to believe that you have already read any of the transcripts in their entirety. If you had, you would not come on these forums and spout the nonsense that you do. Once again a court will render a decision that I estimate you will LOSE (based on content and tone of Judge Silver's proceedings). Once again USAPA's (new) minister of disinformation will spin the courts decision as "not unexpected" and "not a concern to the pilots of the new US Airways".

See you in court Driver.

 

[Phoenix]

So what then does the part about USAPA being able to use something else mean?

I am not listeing. Lah, lah, lah, lah, They only said, "NOT RIPE, YET." "NOT RIPE, YET.""NOT RIPE, YET.""NOT RIPE, YET.""NOT RIPE, YET.""NOT RIPE, YET.""NOT RIPE, YET.""NOT RIPE, YET.""NOT RIPE, YET.""NOT RIPE, YET.""NOT RIPE, YET."

"NOT RIPE, YET."

 

[Move2CLT]

Silly easties.

 

[BoeingBoy]

I am not listeing. Lah, lah, lah, lah, They only said, "NOT RIPE, YET." "NOT RIPE, YET.""NOT RIPE, YET.""NOT RIPE, YET.""NOT RIPE, YET.""NOT RIPE, YET.""NOT RIPE, YET.""NOT RIPE, YET.""NOT RIPE, YET.""NOT RIPE, YET.""NOT RIPE, YET."

"For the foregoing reasons, we hold that Plaintiffs’
DFR claim is not ripe; therefore, the case is REMANDED to
the district court with directions that the action be DISMISSED.
No costs to either side."

Unless you can find another holding that says differently, that is the only ruling that the 9th made in Addington. Everything else is window dressing to support that single ruling.

Jim

 

[Missfit]

Okay Move, since you love comparing the East to lemmings, just a tidbit of info for you...Lemmings don't follow each other over cliffs to their deaths. It's a myth perpetrated by Disney in their Academy Award winning "documentary" White Wilderness, where they flew lemmings in from their natural habitat and launched them over a cliff into a river using a turntable.
They may over populate and as a result die during migration by attempting to swim across large bodies of water or by falling off a cliff but they do not commit mass suicide.

Kind of makes you a lemming for jumping on that bandwagon doesn't it? 😉

 

[Move2CLT]

Okay Move, since you love comparing the East to lemmings, just a tidbit of info for you...Lemmings don't follow each other over cliffs to their deaths. It's a myth perpetrated by Disney in their Academy Award winning "documentary" White Wilderness, where they flew lemmings in from their natural habitat and launched them over a cliff into a river using a turntable.
They may over populate and as a result die during migration by attempting to swim across large bodies of water or by falling off a cliff but they do not commit mass suicide.

Kind of makes you a lemming for jumping on that bandwagon doesn't it? 😉

I know that because I saw that documentary and am aware of Disney's violence against these animals. I was unaware of a turntable being used as I thought they were merely herded to their deaths.

But, in this case, my point was made by perpetuating said myth.

Most easties don't research anything that deeply and life off of myths anyway.

 

[Phoenix]

So what then does the part about USAPA being able to use something else mean?

It is ironic that those who stop their ears and only hear "NOT RIPE!!!" don't even have the stomach to see that the 9th made it clear under what condition it will be ripe..... only after negotiations are complete and a contract is ratified. Aside from the obvious fact that the injunction was dismissed, no longer directing the Nic to be the USAPA proposal, even if USAPA sent out a contract for ratification, sans Nic, even then no injunction would be attainable, because it would still not be ripe. Anyone can sue to their heart's content after ratification, and maybe even win damages. it is not about ripeness now, it is about bargaining. If the courts decide to continue to judicially intervene during bargaining, when the 9th wouldn't even venture there, then they will only multiply the many lawyers who will have more extensions to their already long and prosperous jobs.