US Pilots Labor Discussion

[nic4us]

Hey, lets be honest. These guys got fired for not doing their homework. But getting locked up for a DUI is okay, don't even need to give up your annual bonus.

Lets be COMPLETELY honest.

I usapa was not so busy chasing BS pay restoration grievences that the grievence chair said they would lose but filed anyway, and if the safety committee was not being hijacked to further the usapa seniority theft operation. Then, maybe these two would have never lost their jobs or a deal could have already been worked.

usapa should have just went to the company, said "how about these guys get a month off without pay, time served, and they promise to never do it again"? The company probably would have been okay with that, even after they wrote a letter in the read file warning everybody what non-compliance with DL would mean.

The West just resolved a situation without even getting the grievence process involved.

The case of these two should have been a no brainer, but frankly, if they did it intentionally in support of a usapa work action,,,I say good riddance.

 

[Piedmont1984]

Lets be COMPLETELY honest.

I usapa was not so busy chasing BS pay restoration grievences that the grievence chair said they would lose but filed anyway, and if the safety committee was not being hijacked to further the usapa seniority theft operation. Then, maybe these two would have never lost their jobs or a deal could have already been worked.

usapa should have just went to the company, said "how about these guys get a month off without pay, time served, and they promise to never do it again"? The company probably would have been okay with that, even after they wrote a letter in the read file warning everybody what non-compliance with DL would mean.

The West just resolved a situation without even getting the grievence process involved.

The case of these two should have been a no brainer, but frankly, if they did it intentionally in support of a usapa work action,,,I say good riddance.

Intentional or not, stupid move or not, it was a homework assignment. I don't expect you to chip in and I believe the intended audience was east centric.

 

[Move2CLT]

No, the stuff I'm talking about, you were wrong. Multiple, consecutive, profitable quarters for AWA prior to the merger is just one that comes to mind.

As far as Kubic's letter, it is just what I said. That we were not unsafe, but negative safety trends were developing. The company was wrong to not participate in a safety survey, even if they did it themselves. I still believe that. Thing is, it appears that indeed a group decided to hijack the safety committee to do a foolish job action. What Kubic doesn't cover is why he wasn't more vocal when it was happening. I wasn't happy about that. I think the injunction has accelerated the trends.

So as the wheels come off this thing the question is where do we go from here? You have stated and your new avatar shows your support for a complete failure of USAPA. Many on the east agree with you. After that, what then? Then we have the reform USAPA(for west gains), ALPA loyalists, hardliners.

A few weeks ago, after the LOA 93 loss and the "it's all over" drum was being whacked, I asked what the plan was. I got no answer. I guess it's a secret.

I'm correct on the profitable quarters and you have yet to prove me wrong.

As for then what? Who knows? But I can tell you the west we'll be no worse off. If you read Cleary's last message, he clearly defined the enemy. So it only behooves us to see USAPA disappear

With a C&BL that has DOH only, USAPA as an option is dead. That is, unless, someone from the east is willing to submit a resolution to change it.

Are you willing to make that move Pi?

You talk of change, but what are you willing to do. After all, you are the majority.

Our plan is to see what your plan is. You guys are driving this car. We're along for the ride.

 

[Pi brat]

I'm correct on the profitable quarters and you have yet to prove me wrong.

As for then what? Who knows? But I can tell you the west we'll be no worse off. If you read Cleary's last message, he clearly defined the enemy. So it only behooves us to see USAPA disappear

With a C&BL that has DOH only, USAPA as an option is dead. That is, unless, someone from the east is willing to submit a resolution to change it.

Are you willing to make that move Pi?

You talk of change, but what are you willing to do. After all, you are the majority.

Our plan is to see what your plan is. You guys are driving this car. We're along for the ride.

First result of a simple google search, as I told you before:

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/america-west-reports-fourth-quarter-and-2004-results-54080237.html

Well for once you got something right. You are along for the ride, not just watching from the sidelines. If I had a plan you would have heard about it. I don't know what to do. Our pilot group is just like our country. For the majority it is one way or the other. No middle ground and no room for compromise. And, if you are on one side and dare speak out about your own side, you are labeled a weak sister or a traitor. And you and your kind have not helped anything.

 

[Move2CLT]

Intentional or not, stupid move or not, it was a homework assignment. I don't expect you to chip in and I believe the intended audience was east centric.

It is a requirement of our AQP. Failing to do so takes a pilot off line and forces the company to use reserves.

They got what they deserved.

 

[Move2CLT]

First result of a simple google search, as I told you before:

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/america-west-reports-fourth-quarter-and-2004-results-54080237.html

Well for once you got something right. You are along for the ride, not just watching from the sidelines. If I had a plan you would have heard about it. I don't know what to do. Our pilot group is just like our country. For the majority it is one way or the other. No middle ground and no room for compromise. And, if you are on one side and dare speak out about your own side, you are labeled a weak sister or a traitor. And you and your kind have not helped anything.

We complied with binding arbitration.

Its all we could have done. We held up our end.

You guys? Not so much.

 

[Move2CLT]

A few weeks ago, after the LOA 93 loss and the "it's all over" drum was being whacked, I asked what the plan was.

You should have been asking your reps and Cleary that question.

Not us.

 

[Pi brat]

It is a requirement of our AQP. Failing to do so takes a pilot off line and forces the company to use reserves.

They got what they deserved.

And the pilot doesn't get paid. That's the penalty.

Why didn't the other pilots get the same treatment for the same issue, including a west pilot?

 

[Pi brat]

We complied with binding arbitration.

Its all we could have done. We held up our end.

You guys? Not so much.

Typical response. LA,LA,LA.....can't hear you.

You are such a victim.

 

[Move2CLT]

Typical response. LA,LA,LA.....can't hear you.

You are such a victim.

What do you want to hear Pi?

The only cries of victimization come from the east. From Nicolau, the company, ALPA, AoL, the west, etc.

Aren't you tired of blaming others?

 

[Move2CLT]

And the pilot doesn't get paid. That's the penalty.

Why didn't the other pilots get the same treatment for the same issue, including a west pilot?

Complete the training by the deadline to comply with AQP. Its not hard Pi.

And as for your question, the answer is politics. Straight up politics. Company vs USAPA and you know who lost. Pretty simple.

 

[Pi brat]

What do you want to hear Pi?

The only cries of victimization come from the east. From Nicolau, the company, ALPA, AoL, the west, etc.

Aren't you tired of blaming others?

That you were wrong about many things. Get back to me after you have admitted that.

 

[Pi brat]

Complete the training by the deadline to comply with AQP. Its not hard Pi.

And as for your question, the answer is politics. Straight up politics. Company vs USAPA and you know who lost. Pretty simple.

Yeah, it's pretty simple and I've always done it. Sometimes people screw up. Was the westie that didn't finish on a job action?

So you like the politics when used against your enemy, but scream like a stuck pig when used against you, i.e. distance learning. Got it. The company laughs all the way to the bank.

 

[Move2CLT]

That you were wrong about many things. Get back to me after you have admitted that.

Many things? I don't think so.

If I was that off, you'd have east pilots eating me alive on theses boards. Instead, its only you now.

And I don't think you'll be able to hang on much longer. The truth is your enemy. You can't even be honest with yourself. You can't admit that the only way out of this is the Nic.

When you figure that out, let me know.

 

[Pi brat]

Many things? I don't think so.

If I was that off, you'd have east pilots eating me alive on theses boards. Instead, its only you now.

And I don't think you'll be able to hang on much longer. The truth is your enemy. You can't even be honest with yourself. You can't admit that the only way out of this is the Nic.

When you figure that out, let me know.

Yes, many things and I've pointed them out.

I've always said the Nic may be the only way out. It certainly would be the fastest. It's just that as of now the majority has refused to accept it. That's a fact. Maybe it's changed, I don't know, but I don't think so.