US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Move2CLT]

The difference is that I am right!

Of course you are.

 

[Move2CLT]

Actually, the east saved the west from certain liquidation. Your own serial drunk admitted that.

Incorrect.

Even your fellow easties cringe at your posts.

 

[cactusboy53]

The top 517 were protected on the WB A/C and were thus given an effective super-seniority status. I have no problem with that.

We're the bottom 300 pilotss as of January 2007 active pilots at the time of the merger?

Apparently some were: They were in the super secret "I'm really not furloughed, I'm really working for US Air at a subsidiary feeder airline, and that's why I deserve Date-of-Hire" division........ 🙄

 

[88 B.T.D.]

About to head overseas for a while. Just wanted to say before I leave that the west has won me over. I will vote yes for the nic contract when it comes out for a vote if I'm still around. It will be 120k for tos f/o. Have 28 days vacation and a15% retirement deposit. Oh yeah, also a no furlough clause for anyone on property at signing and east scope protections.

Before I go thanks for all the entertainment the past few years! It's been .....

 

[BoeingBoy]

Have a great trip and if I'm reading between the lines correctly, stay safe.

Jim

 

[USA320Pilot]

I think that even the most diehard USAPA supporters would agree that it is a mess, but everyone still blames everyone else. Like what you posted. No facts, just a question, leading everyone to come to the conclusion that it is the other sides fault. Most of the stuff you post from them(really not you? most think it is.) does nothing to help out situation. You told me a long time ago that you agree with me about unsigned postings, so why do you continue to forward them?

I forward information from Leonidas, USAPAWATCH, USAPA, Yousapa.com, Unbiased Facts, ITT News, Compass Coalition, and other sites. I could care less if a person signs their name and I'm not afraid to write my thoughts or let people know who I am. What I care about is the truth and constructive dialogue. In fact, it is clear who I am with my comments on this Forum unlike others who hide behind a computer screen and insult others. However, out of fairness, US Airways' Ethics Manual no longer permits people to identify them self in a blog.

USA320

 

[Pi brat]

I forward information from Leonidas, USAPAWATCH, USAPA, Yousapa.com, Unbiased Facts, ITT News, Compass Coalition, and other sites. I could care less if a person signs their name and I'm not afraid to write my thoughts or let people know who I am. What I care about is the truth and constructive dialogue. In fact, it is clear who I am with my comments on this Forum unlike others who hide behind a computer screen and insult others. However, out of fairness, US Airways' Ethics Manual no longer permits people to identify them self in a blog.

USA320

Then you lied to me when I asked you about unsigned items when I was on pilot action. You said you agreed with me that they had no value. We all know where that stuff is if we want to get it. You really don't need to spoon feed people with questions posed as facts.

And it's not "I could care less". You can't even get that right.

http://incompetech.com/gallimaufry/care_less.html

 

[Pi brat]

About to head overseas for a while. Just wanted to say before I leave that the west has won me over. I will vote yes for the nic contract when it comes out for a vote if I'm still around. It will be 120k for tos f/o. Have 28 days vacation and a15% retirement deposit. Oh yeah, also a no furlough clause for anyone on property at signing and east scope protections.

Before I go thanks for all the entertainment the past few years! It's been .....

Best of luck to you and return home safely. As always, vote as your conscience leads you.

Take care.

 

[Move2CLT]

Best of luck to you and return home safely. As always, vote as your conscience leads you.

Take care.

No furlough clause is worthless but everything else works.

 

[Pi brat]

The top 517 were protected on the WB A/C and were thus given an effective super-seniority status. I have no problem with that.

We're the bottom 300 pilotss as of January 2007 active pilots at the time of the merger?

Yet most of the 517 positions weren't captain positons, they were F/O, so the guys above 200 or so really did get super seniority(compared to the way the rest of the list was handled). Of course you are magnanimous about that, it allows you to ride you high white horse about the rest of the list. As or the bottom 300, it depends on who you ask. The FAA considered them US pilots. If we had been staffed properly as you were, they would have probably would have been recalled to the mainline.

 

[CallawayGolf]

Yet most of the 517 positions weren't captain positons, they were F/O, so the guys above 200 or so really did get super seniority(compared to the way the rest of the list was handled). Of course you are magnanimous about that, it allows you to ride you high white horse about the rest of the list. As or the bottom 300, it depends on who you ask. The FAA considered them US pilots. If we had been staffed properly as you were, they would have probably would have been recalled to the mainline.

Well since it depends on who you ask maybe we need a third-party neutral arbitrator to decide how to handle the guys who weren't fully on active status and yet not fully on a furloughed status. Once that arbitrator decides, then there really should be no question or doubt remaining about how they should be handled going forward. Agreed?

 

[USA320Pilot]

Then you lied to me when I asked you about unsigned items when I was on pilot action. You said you agreed with me that they had no value. We all know where that stuff is if we want to get it. You really don't need to spoon feed people with questions posed as facts.

And it's not "I could care less". You can't even get that right.

http://incompetech.com/gallimaufry/care_less.html

I simply forward information. However, there is a difference between facts being sent by an unsigned source and then an opinion or insults being sent by an unsigned source. I could care less if a person signs their name to factual information.

By the way, would you care to send me a PM with your name?

 

[fifidriver]

I simply forward information. However, there is a difference between facts being sent by an unsigned source and then an opinion or insults being sent by an unsigned source. I could care less if a person signs their name to factual information.

By the way, would you care to send me a PM with your name?

If you have a valid need to know, I will forward it to you.

 

[prechilill]

Swellblog article:

"US AIRWAYS

Four months earlier, inside of court protection, US Airways in its first filing asked for $950 million in labor relief per year on a total labor bill of $4 billion. This was US Airways’ first bite at the labor apple as the company quickly emerged from bankruptcy number one and filed again in 2004 where a subsequent $800 million in concessions were granted. By the time US Airways emerged from its second bankruptcy and was being merged with America West, the company was half its size in terms of employees and its payroll was 58 percent smaller."


NOTE to PI Brat: We (west) aren't paying for your 42% reduction, all of which happened before the merger. You worked for an uncompetivie airline that was on death's door. I think Parker should have let you fail but alas, he didn't. Bottom line though, you aren't stealing our seniority...

 

[cleardirect]

Yet most of the 517 positions weren't captain positons, they were F/O, so the guys above 200 or so really did get super seniority(compared to the way the rest of the list was handled). Of course you are magnanimous about that, it allows you to ride you high white horse about the rest of the list. As or the bottom 300, it depends on who you ask. The FAA considered them US pilots. If we had been staffed properly as you were, they would have probably would have been recalled to the mainline.

PI, Never let facts get in the way of your fantasy arguments. Think about what you just said! I will wait.....





Now take a deep breath and go back to your seniority list in 2005 and count up the number of F/O's in the top 517.




Did you do it? By my count there were 8 F/O's in the top 517. Would you care to admit your mistake now?


As far as your statement about being staffed properly. Can to explain why you think you were not staffed properly? Could it be because US Airways was going to close the doors and they were burning the furniture to survive another day? Who cares who the FAA considered working for mainline or MDA. Nicolau was the one that decided that not the FAA.

Next question. Did everyone of those 300 recalled work at MDA or did some of them work somewhere else? It they were selling cars or building houses the FAA did not consider them US airways pilots.

Besides I think you just stepped on your own argument. You say they should have been recalled to mainline. Even if the argument is to be believe they worked for a "division" you just admitted they were not mainline pilots because they need to be recalled. the MDA guys say working at MDA was a recall. I think you just blew their theory and exposed the truth.