US Pilots Labor Discussion

[traderjake]

What caused you to turn you back on all your friends that you have know all these years? I don't get it. Your logic just doesn't make sense. really.

The majority of the East decided it was ok to renege on a mutually agreed upon arbitration process because they didn't like the result even though the result was basically the same as the arbitration before it and the two after it.

"Loyalty above all else... except honor." Lieutenant Vincent Hardy from the movie Striking Distance

 

[Move2CLT]

Nice work easties. You sure showed that commuter airline CEO who the boss was.

And nice job cramming the DOH down our throats.

And that contract? Awesome.

LOA93? Awesome.

Fighting to keep your own pilots from arguing a grievance? Awesome.

Cleary for President!!,



USAPA's Board of Pilot Representatives has approved the settlement of the Charlotte injunction action, by agreeing to convert the preliminary injunction issued by Judge Conrad last September, into a final order of the Court. This means that the injunction will remain in effect until either:

1. USAPA and US Airways reach an agreement on a new collective bargaining agreement, or
2. the National Mediation Board releases the parties from mediation.
A copy of the Joint Motion and Proposed Judgment, filed with the Court last Friday, are attached and are posted in the Legal Library. We expect that the Court will enter the proposed order in the near future.

USAPA's principal concern was that the injunction appeared to interfere with a pilot's duty to insure the safety of passengers and equipment. The Court has made it clear that the injunction is not intended, and does not interfere with, a pilot's duty to insure the safety of his or her passengers or aircraft, and this limitation is in no way affected by the fact that the preliminary injunction will be converted into the final order of the Court. Converting the preliminary injunction into a final order avoids the need for expensive discovery, legal proceedings and trial, and allows USAPA to concentrate on representing US Airways pilots.

Pilots are reminded that the injunction remains in effect and prohibits pilots from engaging in any slowdown, strike, work stoppage, sick-out, work-to-rule campaign, or any concerted refusal to perform normal pilot operations in violation of the RLA and prohibits pilots from urging any other pilots to engage in any such activities.

 

[mrbreeze]

The majority of the East decided it was ok to renege on a mutually agreed upon arbitration process because they didn't like the result even though the result was basically the same as the arbitration before it and the two after it.

"Loyalty above all else... except honor." Lieutenant Vincent Hardy from the movie Striking Distance

My loyalty to ALPA was lost long before the arbitration, as was 99% of the East pilots.

Honestly, my home being from the same area, give or take 30 miles, I just don't get your logic. Maybe you were just late in bailing out on ALPA like the rest of us. Each person has their own angle.

I disagree with you tho,
breeze

 

[mrbreeze]

Nice work easties. You sure showed that commuter airline CEO who the boss was.

And nice job cramming the DOH down our throats.

And that contract? Awesome.

LOA93? Awesome.

Fighting to keep your own pilots from arguing a grievance? Awesome.

Cleary for President!!,



USAPA's Board of Pilot Representatives has approved the settlement of the Charlotte injunction action, by agreeing to convert the preliminary injunction issued by Judge Conrad last September, into a final order of the Court. This means that the injunction will remain in effect until either:

1. USAPA and US Airways reach an agreement on a new collective bargaining agreement, or
2. the National Mediation Board releases the parties from mediation.
A copy of the Joint Motion and Proposed Judgment, filed with the Court last Friday, are attached and are posted in the Legal Library. We expect that the Court will enter the proposed order in the near future.

USAPA's principal concern was that the injunction appeared to interfere with a pilot's duty to insure the safety of passengers and equipment. The Court has made it clear that the injunction is not intended, and does not interfere with, a pilot's duty to insure the safety of his or her passengers or aircraft, and this limitation is in no way affected by the fact that the preliminary injunction will be converted into the final order of the Court. Converting the preliminary injunction into a final order avoids the need for expensive discovery, legal proceedings and trial, and allows USAPA to concentrate on representing US Airways pilots.

Pilots are reminded that the injunction remains in effect and prohibits pilots from engaging in any slowdown, strike, work stoppage, sick-out, work-to-rule campaign, or any concerted refusal to perform normal pilot operations in violation of the RLA and prohibits pilots from urging any other pilots to engage in any such activities.

So, what is your point? We have always done a professional job and will be safe. No biggie!

breeze

 

[Phoenix]

The majority of the East decided it was ok to renege on a mutually agreed upon arbitration process because they didn't like the result even though the result was basically the same as the arbitration before it and the two after it.

"Loyalty above all else... except honor." Lieutenant Vincent Hardy from the movie Striking Distance

It may surprise you but I can actually appreciate that your position regarding what must be done is based upon being honorable. It is a shame that many of those who disagree cannot honestly ascribe to each other a rational basis for being honorable, despite the obvious disagreement concerning the premises of the positions.

The East did not renege on a mutually agreed arbitration process. They ejected a union that refused to take responsibility to intervene in an outsourced failure of its own creation. A majority of pilots expected that ALPA would honor its responsibility to ensure the process was followed according to the terms of its own policy. It is self-evident that a majority was unpersuaded that it did. Prater and many other ALPA pilots freely proclaimed that the the result was problematic or unworkable, but ultimately chose to declare themselves slaves to their own imperfect process, rather than to accept that they were indeed responsible regardless of the fact that they attempted to shirk that responsibility by delegating authority to what amounted to nothing more than an employee who went astray.

Some folks hold the premise that a single union over pilots ultimately has the responsibility to establish an ISL that can be ratified. Some don't.

 

[fatherabraham]

You will always be junior to me, and I have no questions about your "skill set." You are a known quantity to many of us.

Ah yes, the day trading guy "above us all" who does not really need the job.... but somehow still does.

RR

RR,
Wow, you just found the missing piece of the puzzle for me on this guy! Now I know who this guy is.
Had the pleasure once to share some time with him. Attempted to further some of my insight that might assist him in claiming more pay. What a mistake that was. Much like these boards, he was incapable of listening to me. Arrogance is the impression I have of him to this day.
FA

 

[Metroyet]

Some folks hold the premise that a single union over pilots ultimately has the responsibility to establish an ISL that can be ratified. Some don't.

And if the only way said union can get an ISL ratified is by violating the Law....then what?

You're living the "Then What" now. Enjoying the fruits of your labor? Is this what you envisioned? How do you like your odds going forward? Tell yourself whatever you want. The reality of the situation speaks for itself.

 

[crazystnic]

Breeze,

If you and so many people don't care what I have to say then why are you so emotional?

Have a good night.

USA320Pilot

P.S. I believe USAPA's gig is about over...

From a long time guy in the left seat
How about I'm going to fight for the injustice of the nic?

 

[mrbreeze]

The majority of the East decided it was ok to renege on a mutually agreed upon arbitration process because they didn't like the result even though the result was basically the same as the arbitration before it and the two after it.

"Loyalty above all else... except honor." Lieutenant Vincent Hardy from the movie Striking Distance

Dan,

I fully respect the honor involved here.....Semper Fi, All for One, etc....Really, I do respect that line of thought.....probably why I am vocal for the East pilots.

However, when it is obvious that your leaders, ALPA in this case, has sold you out a couple of years back, do you still fall on your sword? That seems to me where this train took a turn off the tracks in your case.

I beleive ALPA sold us out long before they tried to represent us with NIC. I think that if you research the timelime, you would agree.....of course you may have a different timeline or agenda......in which case, there is no loyalty.....

Why exclaim "Semper Fi" to ALPA after the way they sold us out?

breeze

 

[luvn737s]

Again, no one gives a sh*t what you believe....when will you ever learn that?

Your cub reporter position with ALPA has gone to your head. Worse than that, not only did ALPA sell us down the river, your BS "beliefs" cost a lot of pilots a lot of money.

You just don't have a clue as to how much the East pilots hate you, right? Otherwise, someone would listen and agree with you just once in awhile. When was the last time someone on this board, other than a West pilot agreed with what you believe? You're in a worse position than Pollack is and you don't ever see it.

please, please, please unsubscribe me to your ongoing BS. It was old 12 yrs ago and just sux today. Just go on and join AOL....really, CM, we don't care!

breeze

Good ol' Breeze. As Bi-Polar as ever. I hope you got a decent prescription plan over there on the east. Evidence points to NO, however.

 

[Phoenix]

And if the only way said union can get an ISL ratified is by violating the Law....then what?

You're living the "Then What" now. Enjoying the fruits of your labor? Is this what you envisioned? How do you like your odds going forward? Tell yourself whatever you want. The reality of the situation speaks for itself.

Your cavalier assertion that a law was broken is a perfect example of some people's displeasure interfering in their ability to be rational, even to the point they are unable to ascribe good intention of those they see as their opponent.

First, I have not seen a reference to the alleged law that anyone broke.

Second, I find it ironic that some vociferously proclaim that USAPA can and will be held responsible for any ISL outcome accomplished under its tenure, but at the same time cling to the notion that ALPA is free to self-proclaim no responsibility, and even impotence, through a slight of hand called outsourcing. Either a union is responsible or it isn't.

In other words, if one union is responsible to its members, so was the other. And there are various means of legal recourse available for members to hold their union to its responsibilities.

 

[mrbreeze]

And if the only way said union can get an ISL ratified is by violating the Law....then what?

You're living the "Then What" now. Enjoying the fruits of your labor? Is this what you envisioned? How do you like your odds going forward? Tell yourself whatever you want. The reality of the situation speaks for itself.

Metroyet,

Just as traderjake callls his cause honor....the East pilots will be happy to hold our positions until retirement......it's called "Honor in the East" instead of having you guys cash a lottery ticket of entitlement.

breeze

 

[luvn737s]

You still don't get it....

You and your ALPA diehard buddies are no longer here on the property and we don't give a s**t what you believe. You screwed us all over for to many years.

Now Lilttle Breezy, when you read something on the internet you have to go ask mommy if it's true or not, OK? And remember, no insider trading. Can you spell ethics?

 

[mrbreeze]

Good ol' Breeze. As Bi-Polar as ever. I hope you got a decent prescription plan over there on the east. Evidence points to NO, however.

No meds involved here, pal....just logic. Nice try at changing the subject, tho.

breeze

 

[Metroyet]

Metroyet,

Just as traderjake callls his cause honor....the East pilots will be happy to hold our positions until retirement......it's called "Honor in the East" instead of having you guys cash a lottery ticket of entitlement.

breeze

I couldn't care less what you do. Aside from the fact that, (as per normal) the East is dragging down the entire industry. Same story for the last decade. Whatever you do....at all costs.....FIGHT!!!!