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Have you looked at the performance numbers?? How dare you infer this group has done anything other than fly these aircraft safely, efficiently, and on time, IN SPITE of the fact that we work under a bankruptcy contract with more days and less vacation, less pay, and worse conditions than anytime in our history on this airline. You are a real piece of work. The perfect management mouthpiece. Why don't you get off your knees and take a look around.

Driver <_<

You have no choice now as the threat of termination is now a reality.

And those graphs sure painted a different picture a few months ago when you guys were pretending to be tough union pilots.

And I thought you didn't mind LOA93. :lol:
 
I was a Piedmont pilot.

PM me and I'll give you my name.

Trader,
Sorry for the waste of time, I wrongfully mistook you for a former psa pilot that also trades much. My BAD !
Still must say, we are way apart in agreement on these issues. Oh well, life will go on 🙂

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USAPA Creates An Additional Full FPL And Stipend Position: January 11, 2012

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Quick Fact #219: The US Airways pilots are the lowest paid major airline pilots in the country and pay the highest dues rate. With severe financial issues facing the union, should USAPA increase the number of pilots receiving full time FPL and Stipends by making both Chris Fillar and Todd Fieser full time USAPA “volunteers?”

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For those pilots that support USAPA I'm curious to hear your thoughts on the "Additional Full FPL And Stipend Position created by the BPR. USAPA has a $1.8 million deficit (they're apparently trying to cut this), the PIC has a possible $130,000 deficit with no pension benefits for the pilots in nearly 3 years, and the Communications Committee apparently now has a $100,000 deficit.

With this increase in deficit spending and now adding a 11th pilot to full FPL + a Stipend should USAPA raise pilot dues and/or assessments to cover this extra spending?
 
The "fairest" way would have been to slot by equipement and status (which can be different from relative seniority).

Relative seniority would have been more fair than DOH.

I would be more senior than I am now as would all the PI Captains that were made junior to PSA F/Os.

When I accuse USAPA supporters of being "unethical" it's for reneging on a mutually agreeded upon arbitration process, not because they pursued DOH. Pursuing DOH was just stupid because it is obviouly fundamentally unfair and was in conflict with the ALPA merger policy.

Just saw your post you were a former PI pilot. The above post now really shows your hypocrisy.

The AAA/PSA seniority merger was completed before you ever came on the property under ALPA Merger Policy, and was embodied in a contract ratified by both AAA pilots and PSA pilots. Yet you claim that policy was "unfair" as you would have been more senior in the following merger since it did not use "relative seniority." Then your own merger comes along and relative seniority is again shown the door and DOH, straight DOH prevails, arbitrated and then ratified by both PI and AAA. Now your only argument left is the obviously unique and quite screwed up merger of the Shuttle pilots..a very, very small group whose actual DOH could be argued from here to eternity ...and did not go straight DOH?

AAA/PSA straight DOH under ALPA. AAA/PI straight DOH under ALPA. And yet we at USAPA are unethical for pursuing the same in the next real merger?

Give me a break. I think we see the real issue here..you actually don’t like ALPA merger policy..it “screwed” you in both the PSA and the PI mergers with AAA.

RR
 
What's up on the Line (Contract Negotiation Status): January 11, 2012

Contract Negotiation Status

Rumors abound about the NMB parking our contract talks. This "What's Up On The Line" gets the straight story regarding the status of contract negotiations.

January 11, 2012

The next mediated negotiation session is scheduled for the week of January 23, 2012. There are currently no meetings scheduled beyond January, however at the conclusion of the January meeting, the Mediator, in conjunction with the NMB, will determine if and when any future sessions are warranted. While there may be some speculation that the NMB will recess negotiations, commonly referred to as being ‘parked’, no decision has been made. Since a recess only benefits the Company by extending the time that they keep your pay and benefits at the bottom of the industry, the NAC is doing everything possible to prevent this from occurring. However, at this point, further NMB mediated sessions for subsequent months appear to be unlikely.

Remember, the timeline is controlled by the mediator and the NMB. They decide if there is an impasse and whether or not an impasse warrants a release. Unfortunately, we have very little control if or when a release occurs. Additionally, the NMB reports directly to President Obama. Given that, we are approaching an election year; the question is whether or not the NMB is likely to release anyone that may have negative political implications.

Many pilots have also asked when we will be released to a cooling off period and they question why we haven’t already asked to be released. Well, we have asked. Unfortunately, the NMB insists that in order to be released the number of open issues must be reduced to a core few. Well, we’ve tried to do that. Understand however, the Company has refused to move one inch off of the Kirby proposal. So, if we follow the NMB’s direction, understanding that the Company refuses to move on anything, then the only way we can possibly get to a release is to capitulate on most of the other issues which include: Bottom of the industry pay, bottom of the industry DC contribution, 99/108 hour pay cap, bottom of the industry work rules, no retro/parity pay, loss of medical benefits while on LTD, eliminate most scope protections, vacation that tops out at year 15 vs. an industry standard of 30, excessive LTD offsets, bottom of the industry sick. Ask yourself, are you willing to give up on many of these provisions? If so, which ones?

The NAC follows the direction of the BPR and they have been abundantly clear – no concessions and industry standard. Until we receive direction to the contrary, this is the direction we are mandated to follow.

Finally, it has become obvious to anyone associated with this negotiation that it doesn’t matter who is sitting across the table from the Company; they have no interest in reaching a deal. If anyone tells you otherwise they either have another agenda or they’re not being truthful. It’s in the Company’s best interest, to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars, to delay this process as long as possible. It’s that simple. Unfortunately, it now appears that the NMB is becoming sympathetic to this principle.

USAPA has now voluntarily agreed that the preliminary injunction should become permanent, pilots are now receiving 30-day suspensions without pay for violating company policy & the injunction, and according to USAPA "further NMB mediated sessions for subsequent months appear to be unlikely" or should we say negotiations are likely to parked for months by the NMB. For those pilots that support USAPA what's your opinion of your union?

And, should NAC members Paul DiOrio and Dean Colello go back to the line or continue to sit at home and receive Full FPL & their Stipend since they will have not met with the Company/Mediator for 6 weeks from the beginning of December until the end of January?

USA320Pilot
 
If you think past votes have resulted in something unfair then vote however you want to in the next election. Its a free country. Enjoy it.
I'll ask again. What was the last substantive vote Cleary allowed you to have?
 
I think we see the real issue here..you actually don’t like ALPA merger policy..it “screwed” you in both the PSA and the PI mergers with AAA.
DOH wasn't fair then and it's not fair now.

I was screwed by the arbitrator in the USAir Piedmont merger.

What's your point?

My position is perfectly consistant unlike the PI pilots who flipped when DOH was to their advantage over the West.
 
pilots are now receiving 30-day suspensions without pay for violating company policy & the injunction

USA320Pilot

Pilot(s)?? I am asking. The only 30 day suspension I know of is Courtney..and he did his "act" in full recording view of Company cameras.

Anyone else 320? You should know, you have walked in Courtney’s shoes.

RR
 
DOH wasn't fair then and it's not fair now.

I was screwed by the arbitrator in the USAir Piedmont merger.

What's your point?

My position is perfectly consistant unlike the PI pilots who flipped when DOH was to their advantage over the West.

So are you saying ALPA was "unethical.?" If so we now share common ground. If not, I don't know where the heck you stand, other than “pro” Traderjack. Have you no real ethics?

At least I am a consistent superhero.

RR
 
I'll ask again. What was the last substantive vote Cleary allowed you to have?


Ya know now that you mention it I haven't seen all the opportunities to vote on concessions that we used to have under the old MEC. Where did they all go? 😛

And I'll say it again. If you think something is unfair then vote in the next election and make your opinion known. Its a free country. Don't squander it.
 
So are you saying ALPA was "unethical.?" If so we now share common ground. If not, I don't know where the heck you stand, other than “pro” Traderjack. Have you no real ethics?

At least I am a consistent superhero.

RR

Ya know what is unethical? Agreeing to binding arbitration, then backing out after you discover you don't like the results you agreed to abide by.

Then forming a sham union as a way to try to get out of your agreed too binding arbitration.

Then gumming up the courts for 5 years.

Oh you entitlement East, you never fail to amuse.
 
I'm not pro ALPA.

The majority of ALPA pilots wanted to see USAirways disappear.

Just because I don't like USAPA doesn't mean I like ALPA.
 
Ya know what is unethical? Agreeing to binding arbitration, then backing out after you discover you don't like the results you agreed to abide by.

Then forming a sham union as a way to try to get out of your agreed too binding arbitration.

Then gumming up the courts for 5 years.

Oh you entitlement East, you never fail to amuse.

Five years. Obviously not "binding.”

Other than the well deserved RICO suit (that had no effect on getting a contract) it was the premature Addington plaintiffs and Doug Parker that have "gummed up" the proceedings.

Glad you are amused in your obviously unsatisfying retirement.

RR
 
I'm not pro ALPA.

The majority of ALPA pilots wanted to see USAirways disappear.

Just because I don't like USAPA doesn't mean I like ALPA.

Ok. Then like I suggested..you are pro "Traderjack."

Why don't you go back to your home office for good and allow someone that needs your slot to earn a living? You don't need this job. We don't need nor want you.

RR
 
Why don't you go back to your home office for good and allow someone that needs your slot to earn a living? You don't need this job. We don't need nor want you.
You don't speak for everyone.

There are a lot more who don't approve of USAPA than you think.

I've had Captains thank me for speaking out. I've had Captain's tell me they're happy to see my name on the pairing so they don't have to listen to some F/O b*tch for four days about the NIC award.

I do need this job or I wouldn't be here.
 
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