US Pilots Labor Discussion

[HPearlyretiree]

Five years. Obviously not "binding.”

Other than the well deserved RICO suit (that had no effect on getting a contract) it was the premature Addington plaintiffs and Doug Parker that have "gummed up" the proceedings.

Glad you are amused in your obviously unsatisfying retirement.

RR

You will see.

What part about making a binding agreement do you not get? If the company made a binding agreement with you and broke it, you would be justifiably right in your anger.

I love the faux cognitive dissonance you all rely on to keep up your fantasy over there.

 

[Move2CLT]

Five years. Obviously not "binding.”

Other than the well deserved RICO suit (that had no effect on getting a contract) it was the premature Addington plaintiffs and Doug Parker that have "gummed up" the proceedings.

Glad you are amused in your obviously unsatisfying retirement.

RR

Blaming others? Wow, that's a new one.

No mention of the work action.

 

[Phoenix]

Ya know what is unethical? Agreeing to binding arbitration, then backing out after you discover you don't like the results you agreed to abide by.

Then forming a sham union as a way to try to get out of your agreed too binding arbitration.

Then gumming up the courts for 5 years.

Oh you entitlement East, you never fail to amuse.

You should have enough experience in life to realize conversations of ethics are merely a framework to have civil conversations.

A refusal to even admit the thought pattern of one's neighbor (whether you agree with their conclusion or not) is not civil. I can appreciate the premise that ALPA had the ability to fully delegate its responsibilities. Many of your neighbors hold the premise that ALPA was authorized to delegate its authority but was not authorized to divest itself of its responsibility.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

You will see.

What part about making a binding agreement do you not get? If the company made a binding agreement with you and broke it, you would be justifiably right in your anger.

I love the faux cognitive dissonance you all rely on to keep up your fantasy over there.

Talk of faux cognitive dissonance, I think you mngmnt types call it "CHAPTER 11" line my ret accounts cancel the agreements we made, and trader good for you, there are at least 4 captains that will fly with you!

 

[traderjake]

trader good for you, there are at least 4 captains that will fly with you!

Still waiting for you to fess up for being wrong on LOA 93.

And everything else you've ever said on this board..

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Still waiting for you to fess up for being wrong on LOA 93.

And everything else you've ever said on this board..

So it really is only 3 pilots? MM!

 

[traderjake]

Thank God I don't have to baby sit you for four days.

 

[luvn737s]

Ya know now that you mention it I haven't seen all the opportunities to vote on concessions that we used to have under the old MEC. Where did they all go? 😛

And I'll say it again. If you think something is unfair then vote in the next election and make your opinion known. Its a free country. Don't squander it.

So, your boy Cleary is saving you from yourself? Is that what you think?

Fairness is a subjective opinion of little use here. Compelling an group to abide by their legal obligations is the issue.

 

[HPearlyretiree]

Talk of faux cognitive dissonance, I think you mngmnt types call it "CHAPTER 11" line my ret accounts cancel the agreements we made, and trader good for you, there are at least 4 captains that will fly with you!

Chapter 11 is not the same as reneging on your binding arbitration, you know that. The reason the east reneged is because they didn't get what they wanted in arbitration. But, that is part of the risk you take going into arbitration. Honorable people understand the risk and live up to it.

The east has no honor, that has been shown again and again and again.

 

[nic4us]

Not trying to "rewrite" any list. There are currently two intact pilot seniority lists at LCC, each attached to separate ops and separate contracts. I have ("had" since we will never have a joint contract) a vested interest in the creation of a combined list to be put out for ratification. The previous agent failed, so here we are. Again, not going to happen now anyway.

As to "engaging" the real world, I was absent for 3 years from this forum doing just that.

This is only entertainment and venting here for me. I enjoy the give and take. I also know how real change occurs. None of it comes from web board postings.

I actually need this job, obviously so do you. But you seem to be in some sort of pain, and unable to engage….. must be related to your inability to upgrade.

RR

Which usapa founder are you?

Your post reeks of the twisted logic, and lies by omission, inherent of everything usapa.

1. There are not two seniority list at LCC, there are THREE list in LCC's possession.

2. ALPA did not fail to produce a list, and they even went as far as having LCC "accept" the Nic as the system wide seniority list at LCC.

3. You have a vested interest in writing a NEW 4th list that greatly favors YOUR position to the detriment of West pilots.

4. Not going to happen? What is not going to happen? A joint contract? Why? Because your failed attempt to steal West seniority has only worked in the plan B mode of forcing seperate ops, or because the usapa NAC is incompetent, or because a looming merger will make a joint contract moot (as we use the Nic for seniority integration in that merger)?

5. You were absent from the board for 3 years? Really? I came to this board after the scabs at usapa got elected and we no longer had access to the ALPA national boards. I thought there was a pretty consistent history of your superhero blather over the course of the last 4+ years.

 

[Reed Richards]

Which usapa founder are you?

Your post reeks of the twisted logic, and lies by omission, inherent of everything usapa.

1. There are not two seniority list at LCC, there are THREE list in LCC's possession.

2. ALPA did not fail to produce a list, and they even went as far as having LCC "accept" the Nic as the system wide seniority list at LCC.

3. You have a vested interest in writing a NEW 4th list that greatly favors YOUR position to the detriment of West pilots.

4. Not going to happen? What is not going to happen? A joint contract? Why? Because your failed attempt to steal West seniority has only worked in the plan B mode of forcing seperate ops, or because the usapa NAC is incompetent, or because a looming merger will make a joint contract moot (as we use the Nic for seniority integration in that merger)?

5. You were absent from the board for 3 years? Really? I came to this board after the scabs at usapa got elected and we no longer had access to the ALPA national boards. I thought there was a pretty consistent history of your superhero blather over the course of the last 4+ years.

There are only two ratified lists on the property. The other was on a piece of scratch paper that was wadded up and thrown away in April of 08.

I must really occupy your thoughts, because I have only been here since Sep 09. Just seems like 4 years to you. Prior to that I had no postings on these boards, under any moniker for over 3 years.

I am honored you consider me a "founder," but in reality my term as an ALPA rep had more effect on where we are right now.

RR

 

[nic4us]

USAPA has now voluntarily agreed that the preliminary injunction should become permanent, pilots are now receiving 30-day suspensions without pay for violating company policy & the injunction, and according to USAPA "further NMB mediated sessions for subsequent months appear to be unlikely" or should we say negotiations are likely to parked for months by the NMB. For those pilots that support USAPA what's your opinion of your union?

And, should NAC members Paul DiOrio and Dean Colello go back to the line or continue to sit at home and receive Full FPL & their Stipend since they will have not met with the Company/Mediator for 6 weeks from the beginning of December until the end of January?

USA320Pilot

Colello should go back to the line......the unemployment line, until all the West pilots senior to him are recalled.

 

[Move2CLT]

Wadded up? LMAO.

Hardly. What do you think the DJ is all about? Parker wants the courts to protect his position of the Nic is it (as the company alteady stated in court) so that the NMB can't release you for S22.

The Nic is alive and well.

 

[nic4us]

Pilot(s)?? I am asking. The only 30 day suspension I know of is Courtney..and he did his "act" in full recording view of Company cameras.

Anyone else 320? You should know, you have walked in Courtney’s shoes.

RR

Really? Is it in a crewnews? I want to get a visual on the usapa puppet.

 

[Reed Richards]

Hardly. What do you think the DJ is all about? Parker wants the courts to protect his position of the Nic is it (as the company alteady stated in court) so that the NMB can't release you for S22.

The DJ is only about delay.

After years of lying about not getting involved in the seniority process, Parker saw the end to litigation, and was not ready to deal yet. As I have said here before, the Company was brilliant in filing the DJ, it gave them control of the timeline for possibly years, and up to now they can drop the proceedings if they need to.

The worst thing that could happen for the Company is for Silver to go off the reservation and tell them they have to use NIC. Only in that case do they now become passengers, having to wait years for our trip to the Ninth.

If anything, a ruling the NIC has to be used seals the deal, and reaffirms what I have been saying...we will never have a joint contract here.

RR