US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Pi brat]

Well hair Pi?

Geez hair trigger, give me a minute. I have other people that want some attention besides you girls.

 

[Pi brat]

I accept your opinion that the CLT CPs were not pro usapa, however, if Move2's story about them telling Isom to give the east pay parity is correct, from the company's perspective, these CPs were supportive of an illegal slowdown if not downright helping to enable it.

Nic, really? That's from uhaul, so that's a mighty big if. He is wrong much more than he is right. Even so, why should they be fired for saying that if that is what they believe? That IS what it's going to take to start fixing this place, no matter how we get there.

 

[Move2CLT]

Nic, really? That's from uhaul, so that's a mighty big if. He is wrong much more than he is right. Even so, why should they be fired for saying that if that is what they believe? That IS what it's going to take to start fixing this place, no matter how we get there.

No need to be hating hair Pi. My account is correct just like most of my other info.

They were fired because they didn't offer solutions. They new the only way to pay parity was through a new contract yet they offered ignorant advice. That's not what they're paid to do.

As management pilots, they were worthless and were returned to the line.

And there's more to come.

 

[OTTER574]

It's not a yes or no question. I always said there were probably guys that were doing things, but that I though the company was exaggerating the impact and that the impact starting in May was NOT all pilot related. I was not participating and it was the worst I'd seen CLT operating in years.

Answer your own question. Do you really think that Parker would have allowed a group of pilots to cost the company MILLIONS and not do something about individuals they knew about?

Brat, did you read the letter from Us Airways Stephen L Johnson VP, Corporate & Government affairs dated January 10, 2012 titled Summary of Investigations Findings? Thoughts or comments?

If I were one of the Cactus 3 with a paid holiday for 9 months and exonerated by the Stephen Johnson company letter and now off for 30 days without pay brought on by pro east vp bular/hogg...I'd love my chances in arbritration to get back my 30 days without pay. If the company or usapa even blinks an eye, it will be much more of a payback, IMO.

OTTER

 

[767one]

No need to be hating hair Pi. My account is correct just like most of my other info.

They were fired because they didn't offer solutions. They new the only way to pay parity was through a new contract yet they offered ignorant advice. That's not what they're paid to do.

As management pilots, they were worthless and were returned to the line.

And there's more to come.

Ge carefull what you wish for. I think both sides will feel the pain. Unless you are perfect you are vulnerable. Have yet to meet the perfect pilot or human.

 

[cactusboy53]

Yes, they needed to be disciplined like a certain chief pilot that single-handedly cost the company millions of dollars. Did you watch the latest PHX crew news? Millions, yet his punishment was almost a year paid vacation, and one month off paid. Good thing his didn't do something really terrible like not finish his home work!

A couple of other interesting things in that one and the F/A session. In the pilots Mr. We Hate You Guys! was back making a fool of himself. Doug always seems to handle him well, you think he would get tired of the a## kicking. That's not you, is it? And in the F/A session, did you catch how inefficient PHX is now because they have get you guys back east to fly? Then there is the insulting of former east managers while they are in the room with you. That's smart. Those guys should be running for USAPA officer positions.

What a COLOSSAL tool. IF it were NOT FOR Cleary & USAPA's false cry of wolf that this was a case of ID THEFT (it was NOT), the company would not have been compelled to CYA. The investigation findings & Johnson's letter confirms this. I believe that USAPA got our list (that may have included SSN's), and we didn't make a FEDERAL CASE out of it.

You sir, can sit and spin (because you do it so well). Schools just about back in session. The honorable Judge Silver will be the next instructor in the series "YES, IF IT'S FINAL AND BINDING, IT TRULY MEANS FINAL AND BINDING!!!". See you in court, Pi.

 

[767one]

Pro east cp's or pro east vp's. Seems your trying to protect the legacy of the 3 that were fired from the cp position in clt.

Question to you Brat? Why hasn't any east pilot been fired for past practices of a known illegal slowdown of very recent memory?

The company stated in front of Judge Conrad the multi-millions of dollars cost to lcc by the east usapa illegal/safety campaign slow down. Now usapa agrees to make this a permanant injunction against usapa and all pilots of lcc and Judge Conrad agreed. Add in the east fuel school from years ago/non-compliance with company policies, of which my sources tell me this mostly east, continues to this day.

Like I stated before...The company knows what we're doing. How they selectively discipline pilots is my continue beef with my union/company.

OTTER

If the company stops "selectively" disciplining pilots some one the west might feel the heat for what might normally be considered a mistake. If you never make a mistake I truly envey you.

 

[767one]

Why is it whenever I ask an east poster on one of these boards if they were active or furloughed at the time of the merger, all I get is crickets? I guess since I never get a response I'll just make my own:

If you were junior on the east list and never furloughed, I'm sorry about what happened. Where you were placed on the list was not fair in my opinion. I don't think I should have been placed above you and if I could change it I seriously would.

If you were furloughed and think you should have gone ahead of active pilots. What you are doing is lower than low and is nothing less than stealing seniority. I hope you get what you deserve.

Ask me please..... I'll save you the trouble, I was/am active.

 

[767one]

A few years ago, a CLT CP threatened a West pilot who was in the process of denying an east pilot a jumpseat.

His threat was that if this captain denied this jumpseat, that the company would seek action against his medical certificate.

Now, it is my opinon that this CP should have been put in the unemployment line he dodged in 2005, but he was lucky the West captain he threatened had a much cooler head than many.

In any event, if he was one of the recently removed CPs, all I can say is this is about three years overdue.

I accept your opinion that the CLT CPs were not pro usapa, however, if Move2's story about them telling Isom to give the east pay parity is correct, from the company's perspective, these CPs were supportive of an illegal slowdown if not downright helping to enable it.

IF is the key word. I guess what we need here is proof of what the CP's said. My opinion is that they were pro pilot not pro usapa. Over my career I have been in 4 different bases and that is what I base my opinion on.

 

[Beancounter]

Ask me please..... I'll save you the trouble, I was/am active.

"If you were junior on the east list and never furloughed, I'm sorry about what happened. Where you were placed on the list was not fair in my opinion. I don't think I should have been placed above you and if I could change it I seriously would."

 

[Beancounter]

IF is the key word. I guess what we need here is proof of what the CP's said. My opinion is that they were pro pilot not pro usapa. Over my career I have been in 4 different bases and that is what I base my opinion on.

Unfortunately, management doesn't need a good reason to remove a chief pilot. The only time I have seen a management team hesitant about CP removal, was when a CP was on good terms with the FAA, as in drinking buddies. Management never touched that CP, even after he repeatedly sided with pilots vs management. Wasn't at this airline. I've always thought CP's should have more protection from management. I think it would make a more professional setting, instead of an @$$ kissing contest. Just my two cents.

 

[Pi brat]

Brat, did you read the letter from Us Airways Stephen L Johnson VP, Corporate & Government affairs dated January 10, 2012 titled Summary of Investigations Findings? Thoughts or comments?

If I were one of the Cactus 3 with a paid holiday for 9 months and exonerated by the Stephen Johnson company letter and now off for 30 days without pay brought on by pro east vp bular/hogg...I'd love my chances in arbritration to get back my 30 days without pay. If the company or usapa even blinks an eye, it will be much more of a payback, IMO.

OTTER

Why yes I did, just today as uhaul was happy to provide it to me even though he doesn't know who I am. Seems to be a west trait, you know the passing company docs thing.

Did you watch the latest PHX crew news and see what Doug has to say about it? They should probably just keep their mouths shut.

 

[Pi brat]

What a COLOSSAL tool. IF it were NOT FOR Cleary & USAPA's false cry of wolf that this was a case of ID THEFT (it was NOT), the company would not have been compelled to CYA. The investigation findings & Johnson's letter confirms this. I believe that USAPA got our list (that may have included SSN's), and we didn't make a FEDERAL CASE out of it.

You sir, can sit and spin (because you do it so well). Schools just about back in session. The honorable Judge Silver will be the next instructor in the series "YES, IF IT'S FINAL AND BINDING, IT TRULY MEANS FINAL AND BINDING!!!". See you in court, Pi.

Wow CB! Are you calling me a tool? That's a no-no.

If not for this food fight there would be no AOL and no need to ask the CP for a seniority list. Have you read the Johnson letter? Have you watched the lastest crew news? Mr. Parker says a company policy was broken and thus thousands of SS#s were given out. Period. That vs not finishing your homework.

Are you saying that it's only a problem if someone complains? Tell ya what, send me your S.S.# and that of two thousand of your closest friend, then tell them and see what they think of it.

If you think USAPA got your number, call them on it. Is that a two wrongs make a right?

BTW, I'm pretty sure I was told that AOL didn't use the addresses received for the mailing. Mr Johnson says otherwise. If they found the "hidden" addresses, do you think they found the hidden SS#s and didn't say anything about it?

 

[nic4us]

Nic, really? That's from uhaul, so that's a mighty big if. He is wrong much more than he is right. Even so, why should they be fired for saying that if that is what they believe? That IS what it's going to take to start fixing this place, no matter how we get there.

Two points to make.

1. They were not fired. They were returned to the line.

2. Even if they believe that pay parity was the answere, dumb answere. Everybody knows, especially management pilots, that the boss has said over and over that parity will be achieved through a joint contract. For the CPs to try to leverage parity out of management with usapa's slowdown, is proof positive they are trying to help usapa, not the company, and even more importantly, NOT THE PILOT GROUP. So tell me, what is a CP's job, and if they can't perform that job, what should you do with them?

 

[nic4us]

If you think USAPA got your number, call them on it.

umm...some guys did, and they found themselves on the recieving end of a RICO suit.