US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Pi brat]

I just read Johnson's letter again. Where does it say they violated company policy?

How do you know they violated company policy? Is is a violation to ask for a seniority list? They are listed on wings now. Is that a violation?

Parker said it was in the latest PHX crew news.

 

[fifidriver]

If he did that he should lose his CP job.
The company should change it's policy and fire any Captain that denies a USAirways pilot the jumpseat for political reasons.

While I agree in principle with your position, consider mine. Ask around about a certain east commuter from SFO, who has reportedly ridden on west jumpseats, only to report west pilots for alleged violations of SOPs. As a pilot "working without a net" i.e. union protection for the last several years, do you really expect all west pilots to be willing to expose themselves to that risk? I appreciate the vagaries of commuting, however, it's CYA out there.

 

[Move2CLT]

I don't remember any mention of PW protection for the S.S.#s. Johnson's letter speaks of the addresses and #s being in hidden columns and they found and used those, why not the #s? How do you know that? Did you have access to the data?

They were in a hidden column and no one knew they were even in the spreadsheet until a company official (guess who) called Cleary to disclose that info.

Cleary was then told that in order to access that info, certain steps had to be taken which included a PW.

That's why the company didn't treat this as a huge deal and that's why no LEA has prosecuted this. It was mostly Cleary trying to make a mountain out of nothing.

 

[Move2CLT]

Franke Air's investigations carry as much import as an Enron internal financial audit.

And your posts even less.

 

[fifidriver]

You are the perfect example of what is wrong with this pilot group. You have exactly the same mindset as the worst in USAPA.

Hi Pi... I'm not sure that's entirely correct. I think in many cases Move says what a lot of westies only think. In fact, based on his +/- track record, it appears that a lot of lurkers agree also.

 

[traderjake]

Ask around about a certain east commuter from SFO, who has reportedly ridden on west jumpseats, only to report west pilots for alleged violations of SOPs. As a pilot "working without a net" i.e. union protection for the last several years, do you really expect all west pilots to be willing to expose themselves to that risk?

Good point.

 

[Pi brat]

They were in a hidden column and no one knew they were even in the spreadsheet until a company official (guess who) called Cleary to disclose that info.

Cleary was then told that in order to access that info, certain steps had to be taken which included a PW.

That's why the company didn't treat this as a huge deal and that's why no LEA has prosecuted this. It was mostly Cleary trying to make a mountain out of nothing.

That's interesting. I wonder why Mr. Johnson did put that in his letter? Would have been reassuring, coming from him. From you, well you have the little issue with the truth. And tell me, how do you know? Did you have access to the document? The addresses weren't PW protected, but the numbers were?
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[Pi brat]

Hi Pi... I'm not sure that's entirely correct. I think in many cases Move says what a lot of westies only think. In fact, based on his +/- track record, it appears that a lot of lurkers agree also.

Well, as far as the +/- thing goes, that is probably you and all of his other screen names. But I hope you're wrong, I'd given the rest of your group more credit.

 

[Pi brat]

While I agree in principle with your position, consider mine. Ask around about a certain east commuter from SFO, who has reportedly ridden on west jumpseats, only to report west pilots for alleged violations of SOPs. As a pilot "working without a net" i.e. union protection for the last several years, do you really expect all west pilots to be willing to expose themselves to that risk? I appreciate the vagaries of commuting, however, it's CYA out there.

"Reportedly". So I'm guessing you haven't had this guy, you have just heard about him. Throwing the bs flag on this one. I think we would have all heard and I think it would have been taken care of. Tell ya what, PM me his name and I will call my contact out there tomorrow and ask about it.

 

[Pi brat]

Good point.

Really Jake?

 

[N924PS]

While I agree in principle with your position, consider mine. Ask around about a certain east commuter from SFO, who has reportedly ridden on west jumpseats, only to report west pilots for alleged violations of SOPs. As a pilot "working without a net" i.e. union protection for the last several years, do you really expect all west pilots to be willing to expose themselves to that risk? I appreciate the vagaries of commuting, however, it's CYA out there.

The company would consider the source if, in fact, that has actually occurred. That particular East commuter (if it's who I think it is) already has a reputation with the Flight Department and his opinions are not highly valued by the CP's office or the Check Airmen.

From what I have observed, the West pilots fly the SOP's to the letter. If you are a MIG or dues paying non-member, you are required by law to be protected. Knowing the individuals on the Violations Committee, I believe you would be vigorously defended.

Maybe Ed and Lyle will put some West pilots in as Assistant Chief Pilots in CLT and surprise us all............

And speaking of them, Mr. Parker spoke very highly of them in the "Conclusion" of the latest PHX crew news !

 

[Move2CLT]

Hi Pi... I'm not sure that's entirely correct. I think in many cases Move says what a lot of westies only think. In fact, based on his +/- track record, it appears that a lot of lurkers agree also.

Holy crap! 2582!

I'm honored.

 

[Move2CLT]

That's interesting. I wonder why Mr. Johnson did put that in his letter? Would have been reassuring, coming from him. From you, well you have the little issue with the truth. And tell me, how do you know? Did you have access to the document? The addresses weren't PW protected, but the numbers were?
w

Ask Johnson.

And all you need to know is that I know.

The SSNs were not accessible just by having the spreadsheet. That column was protected for obvious reasons and that's why it got out e way it did. Without someone from the company pointing it out, no now would have ever known.

The company did a CYA just in case someone did figure out that info was embedded.

By an Excel book and learn how it's done.

 

[Move2CLT]

Well, as far as the +/- thing goes, that is probably you and all of his other screen names. But I hope you're wrong, I'd given the rest of your group more credit.

Aww, come on now Pi. You sound like a sore loser.

Hate the game, not the player.

 

[Pi brat]

Aww, come on now Pi. You sound like a sore loser.

Hate the game, not the player.

Let's see. noyellowneck, endofusapa, toganoflex.........who am I missing?