US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Pi brat]

Ask Johnson.

Just did. I will let you know if I get an answer. Like I did with you claim about the A321s that was wrong.

 

[mrbreeze]

The company would consider the source if, in fact, that has actually occurred. That particular East commuter( if it's who I think it is) already has a reputation with the flight department and his opinions are not highly valued by the CP's office or the Check Airmen.

From what I have observed, the West pilots fly the SOP's to the letter. If you are a MIG or dues paying non-member, you are required by law to be protected. Knowing the individuals on the Violations Committee, I believe you would be vigorously defended.

Maybe Ed and Lyle will put some West pilots in as Assistant Chief Pilots in CLT and surprise us all............

I can't imagine someone violating the oath of privacy in the cockpit that we all live by. If this is true, he is way out of line. Even though I commute, I have never been treated badly by a West crew and respect the fact that I am bumming a ride.

However, I was unaware that "he who's name shall not be spoken" commuted out of SFO. I would not put it past him and I am sure the company has no respect for anything he says. That is the type of individual we are talking about and I hope you guys can see how much respect we have for his type.

breeze

 

[Move2CLT]

Let's see. noyellowneck, endofusapa, toganoflex.........who am I missing?

Parker, Kirby, Cleary, management, ALPA, etc., etc.

 

[Pi brat]

Parker, Kirby, Cleary, management, ALPA, etc., etc.

Probably right, I imagine they do all love you.

 

[Move2CLT]

I can't imagine someone violating the oath of privacy in the cockpit that we all live by. If this is true, he is way out of line. Even though I commute, I have never been treated badly by a West crew and respect the fact that I am bumming a ride.

However, I was unaware that "he who's name shall not be spoken" commuted out of SFO. I would not put it past him and I am sure the company has no respect for anything he says. That is the type of individual we are talking about and I hope you guys can see how much respect we have for his type.

breeze

How about that eastie that sat in back and took pictures of an allegedly ice covered wing and then reported the crew to his CPO.

Needless to say, nothing came out of it.

 

[Move2CLT]

Just did. I will let you know if I get an answer. Like I did with you claim about the A321s that was wrong.

Good for you boo boo. Please post his response.

 

[mrbreeze]

How about that eastie that sat in back and took pictures of an allegedly ice covered wing and then reported the crew to his CPO.

Needless to say, nothing came out of it.

I didn't hear about that one.

 

[Beancounter]

While I agree in principle with your position, consider mine. Ask around about a certain east commuter from SFO, who has reportedly ridden on west jumpseats, only to report west pilots for alleged violations of SOPs. As a pilot "working without a net" i.e. union protection for the last several years, do you really expect all west pilots to be willing to expose themselves to that risk? I appreciate the vagaries of commuting, however, it's CYA out there.

What a chicken f@#$%&*. We've got em' on the west too though. I remember flying with a captain who wanted me to file a sexual harassment complaint against a flight attendant that flirted with me. Yeeeaaaaah, Riiiight.

 

[cactusboy53]

Fellow LCC aviators;
ReformUSAPA is a website that was created for the sole purpose of changing the USAPA Constitution & Bylaws. If you had gone to the website previously (www.reformusapa.com) and completed the petitions in the past, they have EXPIRED.

With the potential of new USAPA leadership, we are again ramping up the efforts to legally change USAPA to be a union for all LCC pilots. Please go to the website. Read the home page, and bring up the petitions (there are three). Even if you disagree with the Nicolau seniority arbitration, the other two are positive changes to make our union MORE democratic (and LESS autocratic). Even if you are wishing to return to ALPA (or go to some other CBA), you should do this while you wait for that change.

Thank you for taking the time to review this information.

Regards,
CB

 

[Pi brat]

Fellow LCC aviators;
ReformUSAPA is a website that was created for the sole purpose of changing the USAPA Constitution & Bylaws. If you had gone to the website previously (www.reformusapa.com) and completed the petitions in the past, they have EXPIRED.

With the potential of new USAPA leadership, we are again ramping up the efforts to legally change USAPA to be a union for all LCC pilots. Please go to the website. Read the home page, and bring up the petitions (there are three). Even if you disagree with the Nicolau seniority arbitration, the other two are positive changes to make our union MORE democratic (and LESS autocratic). Even if you are wishing to return to ALPA (or go to some other CBA), you should do this while you wait for that change.

Thank you for taking the time to review this information.

Regards,
CB

I'll go take another look. Are the same people involved with this organization?

BTW, since you want to communicate on here and not PM, what about that get together? I have quite a bit of time in March. Is that when you were going to be in CLT?

 

[Pi brat]

What a chicken f@#$%&*.

If it happened, you are absolutely correct, they are chicken F@#S%&*. I just have my doubts that it happened, at least as published. Web boards have a way of turning minor issues into major events. If we do have someone like that out there something should be done.

BTW, thanks for the positive comments on 1549 on the other thread. It's good to see someone separate the issues.

 

[Pi brat]

Well guys, the new ACPs are out in CLT and sorry, no west guys. I actually thought they might.

 

[Pi brat]

I didn't hear about that one.

I guess you don't spend enough time on the hangar, of the AWPPA board. ;-)

Did you hear about the east guy that asked for jumpseat and then proceeded to dismember a kitten and eat it for lunch? He had just pushed over a nun in the gate area too.

 

[cleardirect]

Well guys, the new ACPs are out in CLT and sorry, no west guys. I actually thought they might.

Who are they? Mike Cleary, Randy Mowery?

 

[Pi brat]

Okay CB, I've seen enough. This does it for me:

"ReformUSAPA.com will recognize Candidates that agree to represent all pilots equally. This includes but is not limited to accepting the Unmodified Arbitrated Nicolau Seniority Award, the immediate addition of three West pilots chosen by the West pilot Representatives to join the Negotiating Advisory Committee, and the need to modify the USAPA Constitution and Union Operating Manual to more equally represent and move this pilot group forward."

Will recognize(just recognize)candidates that accept the UNMODIFIED Arbitrated Nicolau Award. That's the real reason for reformUSPA. That's fine if you think you need another defense of the award, but don't try to pass if off as something else.

BTW, the letter from T.V. is about a year old. Is he still associated with your group?